Analysis of Jack Johnsons style.

[Ivich]

LIES! Stop it. Jack Johnson title opponents beaten are not heaviest on average up Louis! Just shut up. Or press on with your falsehoods.

Yes they are ,and Pollack never said Hart deserved the win over Johnson,I have both volumes of his Johnson biography.
Now I don't want to spend anymore time talking to a hating fool so I'm bailing .You jog on, you pathetically, illiterate cretin.

[Ivich]

- - Byrd is currently retired and irrelevant other than the AMA trained Ks were exposed to the underbelly of professional boxing to make significant adjustments to dominate their era much like Joe Louis did his.

Byrd was way down on the cards and could not win other than Vit's ama coach making an ama decision to withdraw.

Vitali made the decision to retire,his coach can be heard saying,"it will be alright," to which he responds ,"no it hurts too much". Joe Louis fought top ten ranked contenders,he did not cherry pick and he gave rematches.Don't compare him to the Klits!

[Ivich]

But Doctor,

Related here or not,

Chris Byrd is currently a super middleweight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...formation/amp/

And he stopped a prime Vitali Klitschko, leaving him slumped in his corner, quitting.

And THAT guy was 6'7.5 and 245, Jess Willard size.

No Mas, no Mas!!!!

Thats a fact too. Iron Clad.

Details & context? Who needs em'?

I'm glad this fool is hanging himself with his blind hatred,more and more posters will see what a bell end he is.

[them_apples]

YES. He would pose a threat to people below 170 pounds, old men who has not fought in 6 years, and the very young. But vs. men in their prime who were decent, well that is a different story and one with many losses and draws!

Hitting and holding can be seen in news reviews of Jack Johnson and his filmed fights. Jack hit men on breaks, went low several times, held and hit, etc...

IMO, he would be KO'd more often today or DQ'd with these fouls and excessive clinching. A dirty Jack he was.

his style would work against all styles, and especially those he was stronger than. And as Ivich mentioned Johnson out muscled men much larger than he, and by all observation physical strength was his forte. They even named a wrench after him, and a term referring to a large “johnson”. All though its rumored johnson would wrap his member in gauze to make it appear even larger through his pants to intimidate men around him (no joke)

[Dr. Z]

his style would work against all styles, and especially those he was stronger than. And as Ivich mentioned Johnson out muscled men much larger than he, and by all observation physical strength was his forte. They even named a wrench after him, and a term referring to a large �johnson�. All though its rumored johnson would wrap his member in gauze to make it appear even larger through his pants to intimidate men around him (no joke)

Really?? It did work vs bigger men in the prime in Battling Johnson and Willard. And it would not work today!

[Ivich]

Really?? It did work vs bigger men in the prime in Battling Johnson and Willard. And it would not work today!

Oh you agree?lol

[Ivich]

his style would work against all styles, and especially those he was stronger than. And as Ivich mentioned Johnson out muscled men much larger than he, and by all observation physical strength was his forte. They even named a wrench after him, and a term referring to a large �johnson�. All though its rumored johnson would wrap his member in gauze to make it appear even larger through his pants to intimidate men around him (no joke)

Johnson invented that wrench and patented it. The large artillery gun was nick named a "Jack Johnson".

[Dr. Z]

Oh you agree?lol

No, you dolt, he was lucky to draw vs. Battling Johnson and was Ko'd by Willard! They out weighed him and were stronger. Again Johnson's style of clinching and fouling only worked vs. the old, inactive, light and very young in general.

There are of course exceptions such as Choyski and Hart beat Johnson and the mobile Jack O'brien settled for a news draw. And he was beat by the past his best Hank Griffin. Of course Johnson kept his colored title in these matches as he managed to do when he was DQ'd by low blowing Jeanette.

You can't make this stuff up .... it happened.

Now tell us it didn't.

[Ivich]

No, you dolt, he was lucky to draw vs. Battling Johnson and was Ko'd by Willard! They out weighed him and were stronger. Again Johnson's style of clinching and fouling only worked vs. the old, inactive, light and very young in general.

There are of course exceptions such as Choyski and Hart beat Johnson and the mobile Jack O'brien settled for a news draw. And he was beat by the past his best Hank Griffin. Of course Johnson kept his colored title in these matches as he managed to do when he was DQ'd by low blowing Jeanette.

You can't make this stuff up .... it happened.

Now tell us it didn't.

"It did work vs bigger men in the prime in Battling Johnson and Willard".
Dr Z
Today, 06:52 PM.

"Choyski and Hart beat Johnson and the mobile Jack O'brien settled for a news draw. And he was beat by the past his best Hank Griffin. Of course Johnson kept his colored title in these matches."
Dr Z.
Choynski,Hart and O Brien being WHITE .Johnson's Colored title would not be on the line!

Even if CHOYNSKI [not CHOYSKI ]had been black, he could not have taken Johnson's title as he fought Johnson in1901,and Johnson did not gain the Colored crown until 1903!
No DECISION was rendered in the O Brien bout.

Tom Cowler 200lbs 6'2"
Frank Moran 203lbs 6'1"
Jim Jeffries 227lbs 6'0"
Al Kaufman 191lbs 6'1"
Jim Jeffords 212lbs 6'4"
Sandy Ferguson 210lbs 6' 3 1/2"
Denver Ed Martin 200lbs 6' 31/2"
Fred Russell 200lbs + 6'3"
Hank Griffin 206lbs 6'1"
Black Bill 200lbs 6' 0"
Pat Lester 210lbs 6'3 1/2"
Klon***e 200lbs 6'0"

In 1901. When Griffin beat Johnson,Johnson was a super middleweight.

The more desperately phobic you get,the more spelling mistakes you make.

I still think you calling Sam Langford, Sang Froid is your masterpiece.
A worthy target for you to aim at.

I also remember when you said you had the true "VENISON" of the Johnson v Jeffries fight ,and that it was level after 10 rounds? That's probably your current runner up right there!lol

[Dr. Z]

"It did work vs bigger men in the prime in Battling Johnson and Willard".
Dr Z
Today, 06:52 PM.

"Choyski and Hart beat Johnson and the mobile Jack O'brien settled for a news draw. And he was beat by the past his best Hank Griffin. Of course Johnson kept his colored title in these matches."
Dr Z.
Choynski,Hart and O Brien being WHITE .Johnson's Colored title would not be on the line!


Tom Cowler 200lbs 6'2"
Frank Moran 203lbs 6'1"
Jim Jeffries 227lbs 6'0"
Al Kaufman 191lbs 6'1"
Jim Jeffords 212lbs 6'4"
Sandy Ferguson 210lbs 6' 3 1/2"
Denver Ed Martin 200lbs 6' 31/2"
Fred Russell 200lbs + 6'3"
Hank Griffin 206lbs 6'1"
Black Bill 200lbs 6' 0"
Pat Lester 210lbs 6'3 1/2"
Klon***e 200lbs 6'0"

In 1901. When Griffin beat Johnson,Johnson was a super middleweight.

First off Johnon's clinching style of hitting and holding didn't work vs. Willard or Batting Johnson because they were bigger and stronger and in their primes.


It only worked vs the smaller men, men who were past their primes as I said.


Secondly you must have missed my joke about the colored title not changing hands, even when Johnson was losing the fight he belted Jeannette and Johnson was DQ!


Johnson's listed weight was 185 lbs in 1902. Show me he was, a super middleweight in this fight? You said he was a super middle vs. Griffin in 1901? BS, you lie.

Finally, the heights and weight of many of Johnson's opponents are wrong. Griffin 206 lbs when he fought Johnon?? And Jeffries was 6'1 '1/2 inches tall. And Black Bill was under 200 pounds. He was smaller and lighter than Johnons as reported in 1904. Johnson never weighed more than 190 lbs in 1904 and earlier. String bean Martin was 180 pounds vs Jack Johnson!

You still suck after all these years. Lies, and bad data.