Harry Greb, the true Goat

[Dr. Z]

Not this BS again! Greb was born to a German Father and a Mother of German descent.


Born as Edward Henry Greb to a German immigrant father and mother of German descent, Pius and Annie Greb, who raised him in a working class household
Neither Edward,Henry ,or the ring name Harry are ***ish!

His parents were Roman Catholic he was married in Epiphany Roman Catholic Church,and buried in Calvary Catholic Cemetery in Pittsburgh.

Harry Greb married Mildred Catherine Reilly on January 19, 1919, in Epiphany Catholic Church. They had one child.

Greb is buried in the cemetery below.
Calvary Catholic Cemetery is located at 718 Hazelwood Avenue in the Greenfield and Hazelwood neighborhoods of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.

Gene Tunney was one of the pall bearers at Greb's Catholic funeral.

Max Baer was not ***ish.

Baer was born on February 11, 1909, in Omaha, Nebraska,^[6] to Jacob Baer (1875–1938) and Dora Bales (1877–1938). His father was the son of ***ish immigrants from Alsace-Lorraine and his mother was of Scottish descent .To be of ***ish birth you Mother must be ***ish Baer's Mother was not,neither was he circumcised.

Mike Rossman is ***ish as his Mother is .

Rossman was born in Turnersville, New Jersey, as^[1] Michael Albert DePiano. Rossman is his mother's maiden name, which he uses rather than that of his father. Rossman's father was Italian, and his mother ***ish. He is ***ish, and boxed with a Star of David on his shorts.^[

Several boxers have worn the Star on their trunks, boxing has always had a large ***ish following and wearing the Star for purely financial reasons has been done by several boxers.

I don't care what you " think " I think Greb was part ***ish in ancestry. In the religion of the ***s, you are ***ish whether or not your father is from my understanding. That's how their lineage goes. I am not going to comment on religions in detail here, nor do I wish to. Trace his mother line back if you dare.

His father's name comes from the word grave digger, a ***ish Profession in Germany of the times . Names were changed when people came to America back then.

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[Dr. Z]

I remember you saying a friend of yours had a Greb fight on film,but you were sworn to secrecy about it.lol

Steve Compton , the author of the Greb book, called you out as a barefaced liar! How right he was!

Lots of fight collectors say that they won't comment or admit all of what they own. Just like the Free Masons which you admit to being won't answer questions about the cult religion. For example I teased him because I obtained his list of fights which I must say is very impressive. His comment back was you must have obtained my "general list ". I sent this collection to a few posters at ESB that I converse with. One of them can verify he received it , and he is no friend of Compton's.

Compton is as obsessed man who has irked many, including you when he called you out on BS . Since he does not comment here, I prefer to leave it that way until he does.

[Ivich]

Lots of fight collectors say that they won't comment or admit all of what they own. Just like the Free Masons which you admit to being won't answer questions about the cult religion. For example I teased him because I obtained his list of fights which I must say is very impressive. His comment back was you must have obtained my "general list ". I sent this collection to a few posters at ESB that I converse with. One of them can verify he received it , and he is no friend of Compton's.

Compton is as obsessed man who has irked many, including you when he called you out on BS . Since he does not comment here, I prefer to leave it that way until he does.

Nobody has film of Greb in an actual fight.I dont "admit to being a free mason," I happily tell anyone who asks me if I am ,Freemasonry in not a cult or a religion and ignorant twerps like yourself only embarrass themselves and show their complete ignorance of it by commenting on it.

Compton called your bluff when he asked you to obtain the serial number of the supposed the Greb fight you said your "friend had".You shut up very quickly then, because neither you nor your imaginary friend knew WTF he was talking about!


Compton has not called me out on anything.I don't like him and he does not like me,that does not mean I disregard his comments or disrespect his knowledge As far as ESB is concerned you are viewed as a pariah on that site and banned for life.,and when McGrain commented on it ,6 posters congratulated him for banning you!

[Ivich]

I don't care what you " think " I think Greb was part ***ish in ancestry. In the religion of the ***s, you are ***ish whether or not your father is from my understanding. That's how their lineage goes. I am not going to comment on religions in detail here, nor do I wish to. Trace his mother line back if you dare.

His father's name comes from the word grave digger, a ***ish Profession in Germany of the times . Names were changed when people came to America back then.

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Like very other subject you comment on you are astoundingly ignorant on this subject!
I was married to a ***ess and let me tell you,if your Mother is not ***ish you are not classed as ***ish in their faith.
Greb's parents were Roman Catholics,they married in a Catholic Church and so did Greb.

Greb's parents were buried in a Catholic Church and so was he.
As usual ,you don't know WTF you are talking about.Neither Grebs parents or Greb changed their names when they came to America.

• Greb is a German surname derived from the Middle High German word greb or grabe, which refers to a grove of trees. It is likely derived from the word grove and was originally found in the area around the Elbe River in northern Germany and the northern Netherlands.
• Greb's Fathers first name was PIUS it is of Latin origin and German Catholic.12 Popes have taken the name, it has nothing to do with ***s.
• Do stop making a complete **** of yourself its my pleasure to do that for you!lol

[them_apples]

Like very other subject you comment on you are astoundingly ignorant on this subject!
I was married to a ***ess and let me tell you,if your Mother is not ***ish you are not classed as ***ish in their faith.
Greb's parents were Roman Catholics,they married in a Catholic Church and so did Greb.

Greb's parents were buried in a Catholic Church and so was he.
As usual ,you don't know WTF you are talking about.Neither Grebs parents or Greb changed their names when they came to America.

• Greb is a German surname derived from the Middle High German word greb or grabe, which refers to a grove of trees. It is likely derived from the word grove and was originally found in the area around the Elbe River in northern Germany and the northern Netherlands.
• Greb's Fathers first name was PIUS it is of Latin origin and German Catholic.12 Popes have taken the name, it has nothing to do with ***s.
• Do stop making a complete **** of yourself its my pleasure to do that for you!lol

you are correct and Greb is certainly not ***ish. Greb is a thoroughbred German.

[them_apples]

Eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate in court proceedings. So its a solid bet ppl write what they thought they saw a lot not what you, I or others woulda saw if we had seen the same thing.

Its just a lil silly to have a guy that you think is the goat & compare him vs others off of words vs what you typically could see others do with your own eyes. Like to be fair it almost feels like you shouldn't compare words about Greb vs the videos of SRR or any other alleged great. You need to forget you saw SRR fight & measure these guys vs Greb with what others wrote about them as weird or impossible as that would be to do.

The resume is fair to bring up. I wouldn't argue about that, but I would suggest its impossible to fully qualify how they won those fights if you've never seen them. There are plenty of wins we've seen guys have that we disagreed with the outcome in general or had issues with for other reasons.

All in all its whatever tho cuz Goat, ATG & P4P are all subjective, fantasy, my dad can beat up your dad debates that are impossible for anyone to win & often can be hard to lose.

Yeah because in court cases the eye witnesses are very limited and few in number. In boxing back then you got 100s of written accounts of fights. Written by journalists. Robberies were very common but the written accounts do flesh out the bouts very well.

[them_apples]

I don't have a problem with him not being filmed. I do think its silly to suggest a guy whos never been seen fighting is the best fighter ever. And it feels like a hipster take for the sake of having a hipster take also ig is something I feel like when I hear ppl say it.

In all fairness though a lot of it isn’t mythology. Its pretty well documented stuff considering we have Tunney and Dempsey speaking on the fact, and Tunney faced greb multiple times as well did a whole slew of other fighters at the time.

[them_apples]

I researched him, and after reading several of his fights and conner men comments form his opponents he was dirty. Even the referee's warned Greb to keep it clean before the fight sometimes. And Greb before curbed this tactic when they spoke to him, I have had this debate before with a few Greb fans and pointed all of the above out with links. Much like ring legends Dutch Sam and Dan Mendoza, Greb according to Tunney was ***ish. And his first name he used in the ring was ***ish. So is Greb. Like many people form Germany that were ***ish the came to America.

You can take it for me or read his BIO from the hall of fame:




Harry Greb had excellent stamina and constantly threw punches from all directions, which is how he got the nickname "The Human Windmill." Greb was also considered a dirty fighter, using elbows, thumbs and his head as often as his fists.





Greb engaged in 299 bouts Greb outfought some the best fighters of his era. A middleweight champion, Greb dueled top fighters from the heavyweight and light heavyweight divisions. Most amazing about Greb, though, is the physical disadvantage he fought through much of his career with. He was blind in one eye.





After getting thumbed in the eye by an early opponent, Greb lost sight in one of his eyes. The use of thumbs is illegal, but it was a tactic Greb himself relied upon. Over the last third of his career, the sight in his "good eye" was declining rapidly and ultimately forced him to retire at the age of 32.





Greb is the only man to have defeated Gene Tunney, decisioning him in 1922 for the vacant American Light Heavyweight title. Tunney, who beat Greb in four subsequent matches, went on to dethrone heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey in 1926.





Greb captured the middleweight crown by decisioning Johnny Wilson in 1923 and made six successful title defenses. Perhaps his most memorable middleweight conquest was a points win over legendary Mickey Walker in 1925.





Greb also fought light heavyweight champions Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Mike McTigue, Tommy Loughran (six times) and Maxie Rosenbloom. In addition, he met top heavyweights Gunboat Smith, who beat heavyweight champ Jess Willard, Willie Meehan, who beat Dempsey, and Billy Miske, who fought Dempsey three times.





With his vision getting worse and close to 300 fights taking its toll, Greb lost the middleweight title to Tiger Flowers in 1926 After losing a rematch to Flowers, again by split decision, Greb announced his retirement. He was considering a comeback when he entered the hospital to have a cataract removed his eye and a fractured bone taken from his nose. After the operation, Greb died of heart failure induced by shock from the operation.



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This is from the web and not my research or words.

Yea but those clippings stating he was dirty were actually conspirators that didn’t like him. I know this seems absurd at first, but the press decided if you were well liked or not. Many of the written accounts of his bouts turned out to be false. Take the tunney series, Greb actually beat Tunney about 4 times. But the judging was rigged. He was called dirty throughout the bout but the ref later was almost taken to court about it.

at least thats what this book says, and the author seems to know more about greb than anyone, he’s the only one to have written a volume on him and to cite all his work.

in fact much of that info you posted is simply not true. Its not a knock on you, its the source you are drawing from. For example, his eye got damaged in the norfolk fight, which is not early on in his career.

and for example Tunney claimed Greb butted him in the first bout, but everyone ringside said it was a punch. Greb was mad about the thing Tunney would lie about.

[IronDanHamza]

Idk if that is relevant. History is written by the winners as the saying goes. And I'm not gullible enough to think there aren't embellishments in many of the folklore & propaganda in the books we learned from coming up. Personally I was always skeptical how the enemies of the US had one testicle or were religious with a p#rn stash. Maybe those are 100% true stories but they feel kinda of like propaganda against our enemies.

There is a fair distance from a sexy resume to the Greatest Of All Time.

Depends how you judge it I suppose.

A lot of people base it mostly off resume, in that regard Greb has to be in the conversation.

For me, I do tend to judge mostly off resume but also their skills in the ring visually etc so I can understand the argument but I think either way Greb has to be in the discussion. He very easily could have the best resume in the history of this sport.

[kara]

Depends how you judge it I suppose.

A lot of people base it mostly off resume, in that regard Greb has to be in the conversation.

For me, I do tend to judge mostly off resume but also their skills in the ring visually etc so I can understand the argument but I think either way Greb has to be in the discussion. He very easily could have the best resume in the history of this sport.

Iron has some points here.