Harry Greb, the true Goat

[them_apples]

WHOA. Post you proof of punch stats. Greb was not out landing Tunney 2-1 in fights 3,4,and 5! Name all five times newspapers viewed Greb as the winner and please provide me the link as proof.

These are your own words. I am wondering where your read it and who told you that.

- Dr. Z

Punch stats didn't exist thats an amateur system

here is the book:

https://www.amazon.ca/Live-Fast-Youn...s%2C125&sr=8-1

All my info is from that.

yeah so with newspaper decisions the different states would post different winners based off opinion. Hometown robberies were common because people couldn’t keep track.

this is also the early 1900s.

I have read a few books now where Dempsey is the secondary character - and all of them tend to show Dempsey as a fighter who was protected and who loved the high life.

[Dr. Z]

Punch stats didn't exist thats an amateur system

here is the book:

https://www.amazon.ca/Live-Fast-Youn...s%2C125&sr=8-1

All my info is from that.

yeah so with newspaper decisions the different states would post different winners based off opinion. Hometown robberies were common because people couldnât keep track.

this is also the early 1900s.

I have read a few books now where Dempsey is the secondary character - and all of them tend to show Dempsey as a fighter who was protected and who loved the high life.

Then list the newspapers opinions. All five fights, and don't say Greb out-landed Tunney say 2-1 unless you have proof of it. Not even the biggest fan boy of Greb believes he won all five fights! Yet you said that too. At most I've seen 2 of 5 with a 3rd going either way. But move along now and prove me wrong if you can.

[them_apples]

Then list the newspapers opinions. All five fights, and don't say Greb out-landed Tunney say 2-1 unless you have proof of it. Not even the biggest fan boy of Greb believes he won all five fights! Yet you said that too. At most I've seen 2 of 5 with a 3rd going either way. But move along now and prove me wrong if you can.

I have to screen cap the books pages and upload it. Just get the book or look it up. I sent you the link to the book.

yes, only the last fight was the sure fire win. And yes the other 4 fights had all the out of state newspapers picking Greb. Only the hometown got tunney

the first 2 were dominations by Greb.

the description of the later Greb fights are those same corrupt newspaper judges. But there where many other news papers that had a totally different verdict

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n32170993]

I have to screen cap the books pages and upload it. Just get the book or look it up. I sent you the link to the book.

yes, only the last fight was the sure fire win. And yes the other 4 fights had all the out of state newspapers picking Greb. Only the hometown got tunney

the first 2 were dominations by Greb.

the description of the later Greb fights are those same corrupt newspaper judges. But there where many other news papers that had a totally different verdict[/QUOTE

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Dr. Z says. Wait a minute. You said Greb won five fights and out landed Tunney 2 to 1! Wrong on both counts.


When I ask for proof you don't provide any. Not even a quote from a book that is written by a big Greb fan.


I have no doubt a new paper picked Greb as a winner, but to save time I refer to box rec for bad decisions. They don't mention it in fights 3,4 and 5.


Now can you provide me with an excerpt from the book that backs up your claims or not? I can read that and 5 minutes worth of reading. Do not hide behind a book that is 300+ pages of reading. I don't have days worth of time to say you are wrong! I know you are wrong on ... Greb winning all five fights and out landing Tunney is the series 2 to 1!

[ijudge]

He beat many HOF famers sometimes giving up weight. Many of these people that he beat can be seen on film . He is among the best ever. That's what I think.

What separates between a regular hall of famer and an All-Time Great is that a hall of famer met the standard of being one of the best fighters of his generation. ATGs meanwhile meet the hof criteria but also have NON-REPEATABLE accomplishments.

I think Harry Greb is an ATG.
He beat the most hall of famers in history (about 13)
That is still not been repeated in history.

Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson came close (they have about 10 each). Both those guys have non-repeatable accomplishments as well which makes them an ATG in their own right.

[them_apples]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n32171220]

I have to screen cap the books pages and upload it. Just get the book or look it up. I sent you the link to the book.

yes, only the last fight was the sure fire win. And yes the other 4 fights had all the out of state newspapers picking Greb. Only the hometown got tunney

the first 2 were dominations by Greb.

the description of the later Greb fights are those same corrupt newspaper judges. But there where many other news papers that had a totally different verdict[/QUOTE

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Dr. Z says. Wait a minute. You said Greb won five fights and out landed Tunney 2 to 1! Wrong on both counts.


When I ask for proof you don't provide any. Not even a quote from a book that is written by a big Greb fan.


I have no doubt a new paper picked Greb as a winner, but to save time I refer to box rec for bad decisions. They don't mention it in fights 3,4 and 5.


Now can you provide me with an excerpt from the book that backs up your claims or not? I can read that and 5 minutes worth of reading. Do not hide behind a book that is 300+ pages of reading. I don't have days worth of time to say you are wrong! I know you are wrong on ... Greb winning all five fights and out landing Tunney is the series 2 to 1!

Won 4 fights and lost 1. They fought 5 times I believe.

you donĂ�Â�¢Ă�‚€Ă�‚™t know I am wrong, you think by demanding proof that makes me wrong. I told you where I got it from. I also know where you got your Ă�Â�¢Ă�‚€Ă�‚ÂœproofĂ�Â�¢Ă�‚€Ă�‚à ‚Âť from as well, and those were bogus.

if you just want an EXCERPT then sure, thats different. You wanted all the newspaper clips before, for all 5 fights. Which is absurd I am not typing that out.


new york morning telegraph - �¢Â€Âœwhats the use talking, Greb in the opinion of all the fair minded fans who witnessed the scrap, received the worst decision ever handed down under walker law�¢Â€Â

new york evening mail - the decision calls for a sweeping investigation by the boxing commission - the sooner the better for all parties concerned.

newark evening news - aside from the 14th round, I fail to see how the officials could pick Tunney over Greb.

theres about 20-30 newspaper articles on decisions throughout the book, sometimes showing the stark contrast between who's writing the article. He also backs up the claims with a lot of other information.

also according to Greb he beat Tunney 4 times. Even without decisions involved its clear these bouts were at the very worst draws, but the descriptions of events doesn’t sound that way. Even those who picked Tunney sound a bit su****ious in their description of events.

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n32171669]

Won 4 fights and lost 1. They fought 5 times I believe.

you donĂÂĂ¢ĂÂĂÂĂÂĂÂt know I am wrong, you think by demanding proof that makes me wrong. I told you where I got it from. I also know where you got your ĂÂĂ¢ĂÂĂÂĂÂĂÂproofĂÂĂ¢ĂÂĂÂĂÂĂ from as well, and those were bogus.

if you just want an EXCERPT then sure, thats different. You wanted all the newspaper clips before, for all 5 fights. Which is absurd I am not typing that out.


new york morning telegraph - Ă¢ĂÂĂÂwhats the use talking, Greb in the opinion of all the fair minded fans who witnessed the scrap, received the worst decision ever handed down under walker lawĂ¢ĂÂĂÂ

new york evening mail - the decision calls for a sweeping investigation by the boxing commission - the sooner the better for all parties concerned.

newark evening news - aside from the 14th round, I fail to see how the officials could pick Tunney over Greb.

theres about 20-30 newspaper articles on decisions throughout the book, sometimes showing the stark contrast between who's writing the article. He also backs up the claims with a lot of other information.

also according to Greb he beat Tunney 4 times. Even without decisions involved its clear these bouts were at the very worst draws, but the descriptions of events doesnât sound that way. Even those who picked Tunney sound a bit su****ious in their description of events.

For which fight are you quoting? Picking just one source while omitting the rest is not a good way of proving your point.

Greb says he " thinks " he won 4 of 5. What not asking his parents while you are at it? I won't ask you, you falsely claim Greb won five!

[QueensburyRules]

What separates between a regular hall of famer and an All-Time Great is that a hall of famer met the standard of being one of the best fighters of his generation. ATGs meanwhile meet the hof criteria but also have NON-REPEATABLE accomplishments.

I think Harry Greb is an ATG.
He beat the most hall of famers in history (about 13)
That is still not been repeated in history.

Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson came close (they have about 10 each). Both those guys have non-repeatable accomplishments as well which makes them an ATG in their own right.

- - Sam Langford has the most HOF fights, over 50 of them, ie a lot more names than just 13 names.

[Bundana]

- - Sam Langford has the most HOF fights, over 50 of them, ie a lot more names than just 13 names.

Do you think Langford fought/beat more different HOFers than Greb?

[Slugfester]

Do you think Langford fought/beat more different HOFers than Greb?

Think? Him?