Harry Greb, the true Goat

[billeau2]

I remember you saying a friend of yours had a Greb fight on film,but you were sworn to secrecy about it.lol

Steve Compton , the author of the Greb book, called you out as a barefaced liar! How right he was!

he didn't!! Did he?

[billeau2]

I am going to reserve judgment until I see Dr Z's friends video.

Greb has a mythological status. He fought in a weight class where a lot of natural punchers existed, he had no problem fighting up in weight, he managed to beat Tunney convincingly... Something no one else managed to do... Just an incredible fighter.

[Slugfester]

More than any other fighter to me Greb belongs to his era. His era happened to be the exact place and time to prove boxing greatness. I imagine he might prefer his era's gloves, rules and leniency to any era after. He was where he should have been. Would he be as great today?

No. No way he could be. He would have to leave too many things unproved in today's era that he already proved in his own. So no, he would not be as great. It is impossible to have 300+ pro fights anymore. Also, 13 HOFers seems out of reach the way it is set up. I would like to see him fight in his own era where he belonged, but the prospect of seeing him fight handcuffed by today's standards is a bit less mesmerizing for me.

[Eff Pandas]

In all fairness though a lot of it isnât mythology. Its pretty well documented stuff considering we have Tunney and Dempsey speaking on the fact, and Tunney faced greb multiple times as well did a whole slew of other fighters at the time.

Boxers are notoriously bad at assessing other boxers & opps. Or at least they are in modern times. Those best I faced articles often had nutty takes.

I suspect they'd be worse at it when all they could go on was what they saw with their eyes in real time.

[Ivich]

he didn't!! Did he?

Yes he did! So did several others.lol

[Ivich]

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Won 4 fights and lost 1. They fought 5 times I believe.

you donÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt know I am wrong, you think by demanding proof that makes me wrong. I told you where I got it from. I also know where you got your ÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂproofÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂàfrom as well, and those were bogus.

if you just want an EXCERPT then sure, thats different. You wanted all the newspaper clips before, for all 5 fights. Which is absurd I am not typing that out.


new york morning telegraph - âÃÂÃÂwhats the use talking, Greb in the opinion of all the fair minded fans who witnessed the scrap, received the worst decision ever handed down under walker lawâÃÂÃÂ

new york evening mail - the decision calls for a sweeping investigation by the boxing commission - the sooner the better for all parties concerned.

newark evening news - aside from the 14th round, I fail to see how the officials could pick Tunney over Greb.

theres about 20-30 newspaper articles on decisions throughout the book, sometimes showing the stark contrast between who's writing the article. He also backs up the claims with a lot of other information.

also according to Greb he beat Tunney 4 times. Even without decisions involved its clear these bouts were at the very worst draws, but the descriptions of events doesnât sound that way. Even those who picked Tunney sound a bit su****ious in their description of events.

I don't know who won the fights but you provided the information requested and those sources back up your claim.I don't see what more you can do?
I remember Compton saying unequivocally that Greb was robbed in one fight.

[QueensburyRules]

Do you think Langford fought/beat more different HOFers than Greb?

- - Pretty sure Sam did, and better fighters starting with Joe Gans as I recall. Greb highlight was 3x Tunney.

Sam had numerous highlights.

[Bundana]

- - Pretty sure Sam did, and better fighters starting with Joe Gans as I recall. Greb highlight was 3x Tunney.

Sam had numerous highlights.

If you would care to scroll down the BoxRec records of Greb and Langford, you would quickly realize that:

... Greb fought more HOFers than Langford.
... Greb beat more HOFers than Langford.
... Greb had more wins against HOFers than Langford.

Wouldn't be difficult at all, and would take about 10 minutes.

[JAB5239]

If you would care to scroll down the BoxRec records of Greb and Langford, you would quickly realize that:

... Greb fought more HOFers than Langford.
... Greb beat more HOFers than Langford.
... Greb had more wins against HOFers than Langford.

Wouldn't be difficult at all, and would take about 10 minutes.

I have Langford #1 based on his wins from lightweight to heavyweight. It's simply unparalleled in my opinion. As far as HOF fighters are concerned I believe Langford had a much harder time getting fights with great "white" fighters which is why he has less names. Not that I would argue with anyone rating Greb or SRR #1 all time. P4p is a matter of opinion at the very top anyway

[Slugfester]

It is possible some fighters made it to the HOF because they are considered pioneers'; or maybe they gave a few heroic performances but did not achieve stellar heights. I don't know who they are or if they exist. Greb and langford are not two. It is amazing that thousands of peoples' favorite fighters are two they never saw fight and never will. We never saw their faults and everyone who knew them is dead too. They are privileged that no film exists. It allows perfection in myth.