Harry Greb, the true Goat

[cfang]

It’s a superb book. I have greb as the goat too. His record is just better than anyone else’s.

[Eff Pandas]

History books exist though, right? We don’t question the great warriors of the past and their documented and verified warfare achievements because we haven’t seen them with our own eyes.

Not saying Greb is the GOAT, I agree it’s difficult (and a shame) with no footage but we do know the countless great fighters that he beat. You can’t do that without being a great fighter.

Eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate in court proceedings. So its a solid bet ppl write what they thought they saw a lot not what you, I or others woulda saw if we had seen the same thing.

Its just a lil silly to have a guy that you think is the goat & compare him vs others off of words vs what you typically could see others do with your own eyes. Like to be fair it almost feels like you shouldn't compare words about Greb vs the videos of SRR or any other alleged great. You need to forget you saw SRR fight & measure these guys vs Greb with what others wrote about them as weird or impossible as that would be to do.

The resume is fair to bring up. I wouldn't argue about that, but I would suggest its impossible to fully qualify how they won those fights if you've never seen them. There are plenty of wins we've seen guys have that we disagreed with the outcome in general or had issues with for other reasons.

All in all its whatever tho cuz Goat, ATG & P4P are all subjective, fantasy, my dad can beat up your dad debates that are impossible for anyone to win & often can be hard to lose.

[Eff Pandas]

Much is GOATS in history have never been filmed. Greb fought roughly 100 years ago.

I don't have a problem with him not being filmed. I do think its silly to suggest a guy whos never been seen fighting is the best fighter ever. And it feels like a hipster take for the sake of having a hipster take also ig is something I feel like when I hear ppl say it.

[Slugfester]

It is impressive that the ghost beat Greb even once. Anyone that slick should do just fine in contemporary boxing. It is said Mike was almost impossible to hit, hence his nickname.

[IronDanHamza]

Eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate in court proceedings. So its a solid bet ppl write what they thought they saw a lot not what you, I or others woulda saw if we had seen the same thing.

Its just a lil silly to have a guy that you think is the goat & compare him vs others off of words vs what you typically could see others do with your own eyes. Like to be fair it almost feels like you shouldn't compare words about Greb vs the videos of SRR or any other alleged great. You need to forget you saw SRR fight & measure these guys vs Greb with what others wrote about them as weird or impossible as that would be to do.

The resume is fair to bring up. I wouldn't argue about that, but I would suggest its impossible to fully qualify how they won those fights if you've never seen them. There are plenty of wins we've seen guys have that we disagreed with the outcome in general or had issues with for other reasons.

All in all its whatever tho cuz Goat, ATG & P4P are all subjective, fantasy, my dad can beat up your dad debates that are impossible for anyone to win & often can be hard to lose.

I see your point for sure don’t get me wrong.

But when there’s multiple verified sources of what he achieved, we can’t deny the achievements. It’s recent history as well. Like I say, we don’t question warriors accolades of the past they are verified despite not seeing it on film, I don’t think we should here.

His resume is incredible. That can’t be denied.

[Eff Pandas]

I see your point for sure don’t get me wrong.

But when there’s multiple verified sources of what he achieved, we can’t deny the achievements. It’s recent history as well. Like I say, we don’t question warriors accolades of the past they are verified despite not seeing it on film, I don’t think we should here.

His resume is incredible. That can’t be denied.

Idk if that is relevant. History is written by the winners as the saying goes. And I'm not gullible enough to think there aren't embellishments in many of the folklore & propaganda in the books we learned from coming up. Personally I was always skeptical how the enemies of the US had one testicle or were religious with a p#rn stash. Maybe those are 100% true stories but they feel kinda of like propaganda against our enemies.

There is a fair distance from a sexy resume to the Greatest Of All Time.

[Slugfester]

Greb and others are judged largely by the extensive mythologies surrounding them. Impossible to judge most of his opposition too. Still, he can't be ignored on a list of ATGs, the legend and record are that formidable.

[Ivich]

This could be your best post of your that I have read. As great as Greb was, he is also a dirty fighter. A perpetual motion fighting machine who was as rough and tough and never seemed to tire. He took a great punch too, seldom being down in 100+ fights! He could out work any man. And he was lighting quick. Tunney a master thinker and boxer said you have to out punch Greb with power shots, out boxing him is not an option due to his style which few could replicate.

I wish I could see a Greb film.

I remember you saying a friend of yours had a Greb fight on film,but you were sworn to secrecy about it.lol

Steve Compton , the author of the Greb book, called you out as a barefaced liar! How right he was!

[Ivich]

I researched him, and after reading several of his fights and conner men comments form his opponents he was dirty. Even the referee's warned Greb to keep it clean before the fight sometimes. And Greb before curbed this tactic when they spoke to him, I have had this debate before with a few Greb fans and pointed all of the above out with links. Much like ring legends Dutch Sam and Dan Mendoza, Greb according to Tunney was ***ish. And his first name he used in the ring was ***ish. So is Greb. Like many people form Germany that were ***ish the came to America.

You can take it for me or read his BIO from the hall of fame:




Harry Greb had excellent stamina and constantly threw punches from all directions, which is how he got the nickname "The Human Windmill." Greb was also considered a dirty fighter, using elbows, thumbs and his head as often as his fists.





Greb engaged in 299 bouts Greb outfought some the best fighters of his era. A middleweight champion, Greb dueled top fighters from the heavyweight and light heavyweight divisions. Most amazing about Greb, though, is the physical disadvantage he fought through much of his career with. He was blind in one eye.





After getting thumbed in the eye by an early opponent, Greb lost sight in one of his eyes. The use of thumbs is illegal, but it was a tactic Greb himself relied upon. Over the last third of his career, the sight in his "good eye" was declining rapidly and ultimately forced him to retire at the age of 32.





Greb is the only man to have defeated Gene Tunney, decisioning him in 1922 for the vacant American Light Heavyweight title. Tunney, who beat Greb in four subsequent matches, went on to dethrone heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey in 1926.





Greb captured the middleweight crown by decisioning Johnny Wilson in 1923 and made six successful title defenses. Perhaps his most memorable middleweight conquest was a points win over legendary Mickey Walker in 1925.





Greb also fought light heavyweight champions Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Mike McTigue, Tommy Loughran (six times) and Maxie Rosenbloom. In addition, he met top heavyweights Gunboat Smith, who beat heavyweight champ Jess Willard, Willie Meehan, who beat Dempsey, and Billy Miske, who fought Dempsey three times.





With his vision getting worse and close to 300 fights taking its toll, Greb lost the middleweight title to Tiger Flowers in 1926 After losing a rematch to Flowers, again by split decision, Greb announced his retirement. He was considering a comeback when he entered the hospital to have a cataract removed his eye and a fractured bone taken from his nose. After the operation, Greb died of heart failure induced by shock from the operation.



https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...t#post32166323



This is from the web and not my research or words.

Not this BS again! Greb was born to a German Father and a Mother of German descent.


Born as Edward Henry Greb to a German immigrant father and mother of German descent, Pius and Annie Greb, who raised him in a working class household
Neither Edward,Henry ,or the ring name Harry are ***ish!

His parents were Roman Catholic he was married in Epiphany Roman Catholic Church,and buried in Calvary Catholic Cemetery in Pittsburgh.

Harry Greb married Mildred Catherine Reilly on January 19, 1919, in Epiphany Catholic Church. They had one child.

Greb is buried in the cemetery below.
Calvary Catholic Cemetery is located at 718 Hazelwood Avenue in the Greenfield and Hazelwood neighborhoods of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.

Gene Tunney was one of the pall bearers at Greb's Catholic funeral.

Max Baer was not ***ish.

Baer was born on February 11, 1909, in Omaha, Nebraska,^[6] to Jacob Baer (1875–1938) and Dora Bales (1877–1938). His father was the son of ***ish immigrants from Alsace-Lorraine and his mother was of Scottish descent .To be of ***ish birth you Mother must be ***ish Baer's Mother was not,neither was he circumcised.

Mike Rossman is ***ish as his Mother is .

Rossman was born in Turnersville, New Jersey, as^[1] Michael Albert DePiano. Rossman is his mother's maiden name, which he uses rather than that of his father. Rossman's father was Italian, and his mother ***ish. He is ***ish, and boxed with a Star of David on his shorts.^[

Several boxers have worn the Star on their trunks, boxing has always had a large ***ish following and wearing the Star for purely financial reasons has been done by several boxers.

[Dr. Z]

I don't have a problem with him not being filmed. I do think its silly to suggest a guy whos never been seen fighting is the best fighter ever. And it feels like a hipster take for the sake of having a hipster take also ig is something I feel like when I hear ppl say it.

He beat many HOF famers sometimes giving up weight. Many of these people that he beat can be seen on film . He is among the best ever. That's what I think.