Evidence of fixing fights

[Willie Pep 229]

Joe louis was going downhill at that point I agree with that.

I agree Scheming out boxed Louis very clearly his jab was killing louis the whole fight.

However after that fight joe louis became the heavyweight champ of the world for 4 straight years.

Of course the new papers wasn't writing good things about him they loved hating on a black man when he fell or had a bad night during that period.

The ***s just wanted to cover their true feelings and agendas.

I am sorry if I misunderstood but the issue I thought, was the 10% to Jacobs. That is the period of Summer 1936 through Spring 1937. Louis was not yet beloved. That was a year away in Yankee Stadium.

[Ropss]

I think you think the worst of prize fighting. I think you are seeing hobgoblins.

Neither fight was fixed.

You don't deliberately blind your opponent if your plan is to lose to him. There's much corruption, but picking winners and losers, those are actually exceptions and I argue rare.

Liston just didn't bother showing up for the second fight. They say he was ready for the Boston go, but Ali's medical postponment meant that Liston final 'peak' as a great fighter slipped away during the delay.

Second fight he went down soft, refusing to play Ali's game, he chose to play his own game of up & down and it cost him.

Was on his feet fighting when he was declared the loser. Funny way to throw a fight.

Both fights were fixed and there are multiple sources even FBI suspected it even Listons manager told to some gambler to not bet on him in the first fight

[Willie Pep 229]

Both fights were fixed and there are multiple sources even FBI suspected it even Listons manager told to some gambler to not bet on him in the first fight

I agree they truly did.

But that doesn't mean it happened that way.

They, The FBI, in 1960 had just put Carbo and Palermo in federal prison for 20 years each for extortion of an illegal Mexican fighter, they used, abused, and then dumped on the streets of Los Angeles.

The IBC had been busted up two years earlier, in 1958, under anti-trust laws (the same laws that resulted in MLB being given an exception to, as our "national pastime", so said Congress).

Once the IBC was busted up in 1958, and before being sentenced to prison, 'Blinky' Palermo became Liston's manager of record (1958-1960).

So after Palermo and Carbo were gone the FBI was still watching Liston.

But nothing came of their investigations.

Just one more fight with an unsatisfactory conclusion. Actually pretty common for the Fight Game.

[LilMac006]

Both fights were fixed and there are multiple sources even FBI suspected it even Listons manager told to some gambler to not bet on him in the first fight

Liston fights with Ali were very clearly fixed and I think the mafia had something to do with it too.

[Willie Pep 229]

Both fights were fixed and there are multiple sources even FBI suspected it even Listons manager told to some gambler to not bet on him in the first fight

In regards to multiple sources. Everyone in the fight game loves to claim to be 'in the know.' Even when there is nothing to know.

The FBI was trying and they came up empty. That actually means something.

[LilMac006]

I am sorry if I misunderstood but the issue I thought, was the 10% to Jacobs. That is the period of Summer 1936 through Spring 1937. Louis was not yet beloved. That was a year away in Yankee Stadium.

Yeah after spring 37 joe became a star and went to be a champ 4 years in a row.

[Tatabanya]

But he wasn't killed.

Many people say he was. Of course, truth was never ascertained. Liston's date of birth, entire life, and death are shrouded in mystery.

[beautyistruth]

I am sorry if I misunderstood but the issue I thought, was the 10% to Jacobs. That is the period of Summer 1936 through Spring 1937. Louis was not yet beloved. That was a year away in Yankee Stadium.

It's very very possible Schmeling and Jacobs sold the title to Louis and Jacobs. The big KO 1 show was all just a big skit. Then via media control, Jacobs was able to manufacture Louis into a beloved icon. Which they milked and made a lot of money with.

[beautyistruth]

Regarding Blinky Palermo... My dad had a friend who used to be friends with Blinky Palermo in Philly in the 70s I believe, he said Blinky would go into get something in the pharmacy and come out with pockets filled with razors to shave ) The man was still a kleptomaniac even in retirement.

[beautyistruth]

Yeah after spring 37 joe became a star and went to be a champ 4 years in a row.

Joe may have been protected. Schmeling figured him out the first fight and then could have rolled over and dove in the rematch. The money market for boxing then was America, Germany was destroyed. It's plausible the American mafia paid Schmeling to eat those shots and install the far more marketable Louis as the franchise.