Evidence of fixing fights

[beautyistruth]

Here's the deal. Randy Gordon told me that the second fight with Ali was not fixed. He spoke with Liston's corner. Liston was very afraid of the Nation of Islam. We have to remember that three months earlier Malcolm X was murdered.

Like he would know. Obvious dive, phantom punch. Randy Gordon is a fine ambassador for the sport and deserves credit for his efforts to protect the sport's integrity and honor. But cmon, he has no idea about the deep secrets of boxing. Even Ray Charles could see Liston dove. And he never demanded a third fight did he?

[beautyistruth]

Why would Duran tank that fight?

He made six million. A second victory that night insures he stays in the multi-million purse range.

Instead the lost left him having to grab 500K for his next few fights.

So how much would it have cost to buy him that night?

Five million, Only maybe is that enough. But with even that low number, how, in a 1980 economy, do the gangsters recoup their expenditures and then profit from their bets?

Bets that large would have been noticed; Vegas tracks in detail every large bet.

I repeat, just how much money would they have had to put at risk, to pull off a cross fight?

The numbers don't work for me.

Besides, there were no long odds worth exploiting in Leonard-Duran II. They went off close to even money.

None of this seems probable to me.

Because he got $15m to throw the No Mas fight. The powers that be wanted Leonard back in the driver's seat. Leonard was the key to the whole era, actually he was the face of boxing back then, with Ali at the very end.

[QueensburyRules]

There is the story of Jimmy Braddock losing the title to Joe Louis and then getting a percentage of all of Joe's future title fights. This suggests Braddock sold the belt to Louis as it was more profitable for him to lose than to win. He got his payday vs Joe and all of the future cuts of Joe's fights. So that would suggest Braddock went in the tank for Joe.

- - It don’t suggest nothing but your overly fertile mushroom greenhouse in full sprout.

[QueensburyRules]

Here's the deal. Randy Gordon told me that the second fight with Ali was not fixed. He spoke with Liston's corner. Liston was very afraid of the Nation of Islam. We have to remember that three months earlier Malcolm X was murdered.

- - When The Mob ruled, plenty of fights fixed.

By 1963 the Mob was in tatters, so betting on Sonny was $$$ in the bank. 1st fight young Clay a soft lad exposed vs Henry Clark and Doug Jones, so feeble that Sonny was training on whiskey certain of a 1-2 rd KO. $$$ was lost, so they picked the rd that Sonny quit in.

Yeah, NOI is why 2nd fight in podunk Maine recreation center in front of 2000 spectators that turned into a farce because of Ali who should’ve been DQed.

Only fixes in fights today is with commish and their judges and refs.

[beautyistruth]

- - When The Mob ruled, plenty of fights fixed.

By 1963 the Mob was in tatters, so betting on Sonny was $$$ in the bank. 1st fight young Clay a soft lad exposed vs Henry Clark and Doug Jones, so feeble that Sonny was training on whiskey certain of a 1-2 rd KO. $$$ was lost, so they picked the rd that Sonny quit in.

Yeah, NOI is why 2nd fight in podunk Maine recreation center in front of 2000 spectators that turned into a farce because of Ali who should’ve been DQed.

Only fixes in fights today is with commish and their judges and refs.

Haymon's PBC shows are always the theater of the expected. It's like you know the fighter with the greater value and future revenue generator, will ALWAYS win. And you will never see a top PBC Haymon prospect ever lose. Tank can't beat the top guys and thus he will only fight guys that are GUARANTEED wins.

[Ivich]

- - When The Mob ruled, plenty of fights fixed.

By 1963 the Mob was in tatters, so betting on Sonny was $$$ in the bank. 1st fight young Clay a soft lad exposed vs Henry Clark and Doug Jones, so feeble that Sonny was training on whiskey certain of a 1-2 rd KO. $$$ was lost, so they picked the rd that Sonny quit in.

Yeah, NOI is why 2nd fight in podunk Maine recreation center in front of 2000 spectators that turned into a farce because of Ali who should’ve been DQed.

Only fixes in fights today is with commish and their judges and refs.

Henry Clark? lol

[Ivich]

Yankee Sullivan vs John Morrissey is my favorite. I'll do a cliff notes version.

John was the leader of a gang, the gang was present at the fight and armed. Yankee was to lose the fight or his life. Sullivan beat Morrissey to a pulp and left him bleeding on the floor, but, before the ref had time to count John out, it was 30 seconds back then, Yankee left the ring and prompted a ten second count out. He lost to John Morrissey, technically, which was all the Dead Rabbits needed because they were more concerned with the betting than John's wellbeing. Later John Morrissey would use his gang to strong arm voters into making him a senator Because criminals have ran this nation the entire time.

Tell us about Bill Poole?

[Ivich]

It's very very possible Schmeling and Jacobs sold the title to Louis and Jacobs. The big KO 1 show was all just a big skit. Then via media control, Jacobs was able to manufacture Louis into a beloved icon. Which they milked and made a lot of money with.

Total BS.

[Ivich]

Lulu Perez win over Willie Pep was a dive. Alexis Arguello win over Jose Legra was a dive.

The Perez fight was presumed to be a dive.I don't know anything about the Legra fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Jim Morrissey was elected, post Civil War, to the United States House of Representative twice.

It was a structured deal between Albany and Tammany Hall to help bring the Irish back under some level of control after the 1863 gang riots.

As part of the deal Albany restructured the New York (Manhattan) districts to ensure at least one Irish ********ic candidate (from the Five Points) would be elected to Congress.

Much in the same way they gerrymander districts today to ensure Black candidates will win.

Morrissey broke with Tammany Hall and testified against Boss Tweed in 1873. This soured his relationship with many of the Irish but he was rewarded by the Nativists with a seat in the New York State Senate for several terms.

In the Yankee Sullivan fight the New York Times (October 24th 1853) states that Sullivan had the better day but it was nowhere near being a one sided affair as suggested above. After 37 rounds (London Prize Ring Rules) Morrissey's face was chop meat with one eye closed but it was Yankee Sullivan who too often ended most of the rounds by taking a knee to gain a rest; although legal, the crowd booed this tactic

In the 37th round Morrissey got too dirty by wrapping his arm around Sullivan's neck and lifting him off his feet. This cleared the corners and a brawl ensued.

The referee awarded the fight to Morrissey, at first claiming that Morrissey got the nod because he had refrained from participating in the brawl, where as Yankee Sullivan freely brawl with Morrissey's seconds. The referee called Yankee Sullivan's punches 'foul blows.'

When this argument fell short, the referee, a few days later, changed his story, claiming Sullivan had abandoned the ring and was DQ.

But the New York Times states that Sullivan had not left the ring and was calling for Morrissey to continue fighting.

The fight's stake-holder under the Lindon Prize Ring Rules (who is not mentioned by name) didn't agree with the referee's decision and by power of possession of the stake, awarded the $2000 battle money to Sullivan.