Evidence of fixing fights

[Tatabanya]

Ali vs Liston, anyone?

[beautyistruth]

No!

Braddock was given 10% of Uncle Mike Jacob's take (not Louis's purses as commonly claimed) for any Louis defense for the next ten years.

Braddock was bought because he screwed over Max Schmeling who had the right to the first shot at Braddock's title based on him defeating Louis.

Making Joe Louis a victim is popular in boxing history, especially when you add a racial claim. (Not that you did.)

http://www.perno.com/history/posters...schmeling.html

Interesting article but it says it was a "rumor" that Jacobs gave up 10 percent of his cuts to Braddock. That could have been propaganda to cover for Joe. Anyway, it is very curious that the US boxing establishment was so desperate to keep the title in the US and not let it go to Germany. It's very possible the title was sold to Louis and then Max Schmeling was bought off. Was Max maybe broke from the war damages/destruction in Germany? Maybe he really needed the money?? If Schmeling was such a ****, why did he retain a *** manager?? I think there was an awful lot of propaganda injected into shaping and portraying this historical event fight.

[Tatabanya]

Liston vs Wepner, anyone? II

[beautyistruth]

Liston vs Wepner, anyone? II

Wasn't that a bloodbath?

[Tatabanya]

Wasn't that a bloodbath?

Yes. There are theories and articles affirming that Liston might have been killed because he won this fight, which he was supposed to lose.

[Willie Pep 229]

Interesting article but it says it was a "rumor" that Jacobs gave up 10 percent of his cuts to Braddock. That could have been propaganda to cover for Joe. Anyway, it is very curious that the US boxing establishment was so desperate to keep the title in the US and not let it go to Germany. It's very possible the title was sold to Louis and then Max Schmeling was bought off. Was Max maybe broke from the war damages/destruction in Germany? Maybe he really needed the money?? If Schmeling was such a ****, why did he retain a *** manager?? I think there was an awful lot of propaganda injected into shaping and portraying this historical event fight.

True. I have never seen confirmation of the deal either way. But the 10% coming from Uncle Mike and not Louis has more support.

Schmeling was not bought off. He came to America ready to fight only to have Braddock claim an old hand injury. The fight was canceled.

Schmeling thought he would still get the fight in six months and returned to Germany to continue training.

There was great fear in America that Schmeling would beat Braddock and the **** (Goebbels) would hold the tile hostage for propaganda purposes.

There was also a strong ***ish-American resistance to the fight, calling for a boycott.

The ***s, Uncle Mike Jacobs and Joe Gould (Braddock's manager) conspired to screw Schmeling out of his shot and give it to Louis.

Story goes that Uncle Mike pointed out to Gould that the contract didn't guarantee a second chance if the fight was canceled for any reason. They jumped on that technicality and announced Braddock would fight Louis instead.

Schmeling tried to challenge but found no sympathy in America and was ignored.

In regards to Joe Jacobs remaining as Schmeling's (***ish) manager, we do know that Goebbels interceded on Schmeling's behalf because he wanted the title to belong to an ubermensch and if putting up with a ***ish manager, Goebbels would make that sacrifice.

It wasn't uncommon for the **** to use ***s to their advantage any way possible. With 'Joe' Jacobs' situation it wasn't too big a deal because Jacobs was an American and not very visible in Germany.

The Original Fight Poster


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[Willie Pep 229]

I don't think there were as many fixed fights, (the classic dive) post World War II, as legend has it.

To find corruption look instead for slanted judges scoring.

The Hollywood 'dive,' happens often in the movies.

The IBC (Carbo/Palermo/Lucchese Mob) quickly realized there was much more money in promoting good flights on the new fangled machine called a television, then there was in fixing fights.

Robbing other gamblers with a tank job can make you some quick easy money, but selling Gillette Razors can make to rich.

The mob was seduced by the possibilities and realized fixing fights only hurt the ratings, putting on a good show sells mayonnaise. That's were the real money is, selling shlt.

The gangsters turn TV producers fast.

A great example of how the IBC was corrupt lies in the Kid Gavilan story.

Story goes:

Gavilan was popular and would be challenging for the WW title (Bratton I). The IBC (Carbo) made it clear he would prefer a Gavilan win, so long as the fight went to the cards, and was reasonably close.

Well, the the Kid and his famed 'bolo' punch, then went on to wow the crowd (and TV audience) for four years. But, in popularity, everyone has an arc and the bolo punch had run its course.

So by 1954 the gangsters turn TV producers (IBC) decided they needed new blood, so the word was sent out, if it goes to the cards the IBC wants Saxton, it was time for Gavlin to step down.

That night they say Gavilan cried in his dressing room, knowing his was 'jobbed' stated he would never fight again. (Of course he did.)

What Gavilan never understood was that he gained and lost the title under the same corrupt dynamics.

[The Defecator]

Braddock got a percentage of all Mike Jacobs future Louis title fights .
Anyone who thinks Braddock went into the tank for Louis needs to watch wrestling instead of boxing.Braddock took a brutal beating.

Yeah. That was one of the most ridiculous accusations I've seen. Despite what the thread title says, I'm not seeing any actual evidence of fight-fixing, just conspiracy theories and conjecture. Probably not surprising given today's anti-intellectual/anti-science culture where toothless idiots never let the truth get in the way of a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

[QueensburyRules]

True. I have never seen confirmation of the deal either way. But the 10% coming from Uncle Mike and not Louis has more support.

Schmeling was not bought off. He came to America ready to fight only to have Braddock claim an old hand injury. The fight was canceled.

Schmeling thought he would still get the fight in six months and returned to Germany to continue training.

There was great fear in America that Schmeling would beat Braddock and the **** (Goebbels) would hold the tile hostage for propaganda purposes.

There was also a strong ***ish-American resistance to the fight, calling for a boycott.

The ***s, Uncle Mike Jacobs and Joe Gould (Braddock's manager) conspired to screw Schmeling out of his shot and give it to Louis.

Story goes that Uncle Mike pointed out to Gould that the contract didn't guarantee a second chance if the fight was canceled for any reason. They jumped on that technicality and announced Braddock would fight Louis instead.

Schmeling tried to challenge but found no sympathy in America and was ignored.

In regards to Joe Jacobs remaining as Schmeling's (***ish) manager, we do know that Goebbels interceded on Schmeling's behalf because he wanted the title to belong to an ubermensch and if putting up with a ***ish manager, Goebbels would make that sacrifice.

It wasn't uncommon for the **** to use ***s to their advantage any way possible. With 'Joe' Jacobs' situation it wasn't too big a deal because Jacobs was an American and not very visible in Germany.

The Original Fight Poster


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- - Well, there was the time Max won an important German fight where Max dominated.

As the crowd stood up in a **** salute Joe had never seen, he with his cigar sig heiled that made front page the next day where Hitler informed of his identity blew the usual gasket.

Fortunately Max had some admirers to soothe him with the Joe salute as an American tribute to der fuhrer, but yeah , Adolph had a few key ***s he kept for insider info on how the pogrom was going.

[beautyistruth]

True. I have never seen confirmation of the deal either way. But the 10% coming from Uncle Mike and not Louis has more support.

Schmeling was not bought off. He came to America ready to fight only to have Braddock claim an old hand injury. The fight was canceled.

Schmeling thought he would still get the fight in six months and returned to Germany to continue training.

There was great fear in America that Schmeling would beat Braddock and the **** (Goebbels) would hold the tile hostage for propaganda purposes.

There was also a strong ***ish-American resistance to the fight, calling for a boycott.

The ***s, Uncle Mike Jacobs and Joe Gould (Braddock's manager) conspired to screw Schmeling out of his shot and give it to Louis.

Story goes that Uncle Mike pointed out to Gould that the contract didn't guarantee a second chance if the fight was canceled for any reason. They jumped on that technicality and announced Braddock would fight Louis instead.

Schmeling tried to challenge but found no sympathy in America and was ignored.

In regards to Joe Jacobs remaining as Schmeling's (***ish) manager, we do know that Goebbels interceded on Schmeling's behalf because he wanted the title to belong to an ubermensch and if putting up with a ***ish manager, Goebbels would make that sacrifice.

It wasn't uncommon for the **** to use ***s to their advantage any way possible. With 'Joe' Jacobs' situation it wasn't too big a deal because Jacobs was an American and not very visible in Germany.

The Original Fight Poster


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Would it be plausible that Braddock faked the hand injury to cancel the fight? If you ask me, certainly. We've seen fake injuries used to cancel fights - Haye vs Wladimir the first time, Pavilik vs Paul Williams (never rescheduled), Wladimir vs Fury the first time...