Evidence of fixing fights

[beautyistruth]

Yes. There are theories and articles affirming that Liston might have been killed because he won this fight, which he was supposed to lose.

But he wasn't killed.

[beautyistruth]

Here is a very suspect fight, Danny Lopez KO Juan Domingo Malvarez, who throws a short lead uppercut (very bad idea) and gets tagged by a hard right, goes down, has the sense to shake his head, then flops around. This looked like your quintessential hired patsy, a no leverage, non seller who takes the good payday for the dive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3F12YZEfY4

[beautyistruth]

Ali vs Liston, anyone?

Both were. Liston was a bad draw with zero charisma or personality. Cassius Clay of course was far more marketable.

[Willie Pep 229]

Would it be plausible that Braddock faked the hand injury to cancel the fight? If you ask me, certainly. We've seen fake injuries used to cancel fights - Haye vs Wladimir the first time, Pavilik vs Paul Williams (never rescheduled), Wladimir vs Fury the first time...

Yes I agree. I believe it was a full blown conspiracy that's why Braddock needed to be bought.

Uncle Mike was offering a ten year pension plan to a guy who knew he was likely to lose the next bout and was once on relief.

Braddock made the right deal.

But WWII screwed him. He lost four years of his deal to the War and even if Uncle Mike Jacobs wanted to 'make good' he couldn't, he was dead.*

But he didn't throw the fight.

He took a beating, and early on, gave Louis game.

* Jacobs suffered stroke in '46, and was retired in '49.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Well, there was the time Max won an important German fight where Max dominated.

As the crowd stood up in a **** salute Joe had never seen, he with his cigar sig heiled that made front page the next day where Hitler informed of his identity blew the usual gasket.

Fortunately Max had some admirers to soothe him with the Joe salute as an American tribute to der fuhrer, but yeah , Adolph had a few key ***s he kept for insider info on how the pogrom was going.

Yea, that photo caused a stir on both sides of the ocean.

I wonder, do you know, if that was pre or post Kristallnacht? It is more forgiving if it was before. There was still a fig leaf of reasonableness to the **** before 1938.

Yea, as I write I am pretty sure it must of been. Do you know which fight?

[Willie Pep 229]

Both were. Liston was a bad draw with zero charisma or personality. Cassius Clay of course was far more marketable.

I think you think the worst of prize fighting. I think you are seeing hobgoblins.

Neither fight was fixed.

You don't deliberately blind your opponent if your plan is to lose to him. There's much corruption, but picking winners and losers, those are actually exceptions and I argue rare.

Liston just didn't bother showing up for the second fight. They say he was ready for the Boston go, but Ali's medical postponment meant that Liston final 'peak' as a great fighter slipped away during the delay.

Second fight he went down soft, refusing to play Ali's game, he chose to play his own game of up & down and it cost him.

Was on his feet fighting when he was declared the loser. Funny way to throw a fight.

[LilMac006]

There is the story of Jimmy Braddock losing the title to Joe Louis and then getting a percentage of all of Joe's future title fights. This suggests Braddock sold the belt to Louis as it was more profitable for him to lose than to win. He got his payday vs Joe and all of the future cuts of Joe's fights. So that would suggest Braddock went in the tank for Joe.

You reaching with that one not gonna lie, there's no evidence of jimmy getting a percentage of joes title future fights and even if it he tried to they wouldn't allow something like that to happen to a big star like joe louis was.

[Willie Pep 229]

You reaching with that one not gonna lie, there's no evidence of jimmy getting a percentage of joes title future fights and even if it he tried to they wouldn't allow something like that to happen to a big star like joe louis was.

Louis wasn't a star when that deal was made. He was at that moment a question mark, and to some a hyped disappointment.

He had been outclassed by Schmeling and he was a "Negro." -- Many were happy with that outcome and were looking for the opportunity to write off the 'black pretender.'

At that point Louis was battling his way back through weak opponents like a worn Sharkey and LHW Pastor.

The newspapers weren't writing wonderful things about him; his star had tarnished.

He had no one protecting him but Uncle Mike.

It was the ***s that saved his ass, give them the credit they deserve.

[Willie Pep 229]

What if:

Schmeling took Braddock's title in 1937, does Louis-Schmeling happen in 1938 or does Goebbles hold the tile hostage until 1945?

We can be certain Schmeling first defense would be in Berlin in 1938 and not against a Negro.

That would leave only very late '38 and summer '39 open for another defense. Again I can't see Goebbles letting Schmeling fight Louis on either continent.

I think we end up with Louis as The American HW Champion.

Then that ends with Louis' conscription.

So what is the outlook in 1946.

No HW World Champion.

Do Charles and Walcot rise to the top anyway and nothing really changes except Louis' legacy?

[LilMac006]

Louis wasn't a star when that deal was made. He was at that moment a question mark, and to some a hyped disappointment.

He had been outclassed by Schmeling and he was a "Negro." -- Many were happy with that outcome and were looking for the opportunity to write off the 'black pretender.'

At that point Louis was battling his way back through weak opponents like a worn Sharkey and LHW Pastor.

The newspapers weren't writing wonderful things about him; his star had tarnished.

He had no one protecting him but Uncle Mike.

It was the ***s that saved his ass, give them the credit they deserve.

Joe louis was going downhill at that point I agree with that.

I agree Scheming out boxed Louis very clearly his jab was killing louis the whole fight.

However after that fight joe louis became the heavyweight champ of the world for 4 straight years.

Of course the new papers wasn't writing good things about him they loved hating on a black man when he fell or had a bad night during that period.

The ***s just wanted to cover their true feelings and agendas.