Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[IronDanHamza]

He beat some HOF fighters, and the count of seven raked ring magaznie fighters is decent. Joe retired undefeated. While the division he was in wasn't great, he was.

He beat two HOF fighters, one that wasn't shot to pieces and 0 in their prime.

He was the WBO world champion for the vast majority of his reign which wasn't even considered a legitimate world title at the time.

At 168 he beat 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in a 10+ year period. That's a joke.

Not only is that far from "great" its shocking. He is no where even remotely close to a great fighter.

[IronDanHamza]

Lineal/Ring champion in 2 weight classes as well. Not too bad at all. I still say Ward's record was better though. But you make good points. Got off the deck early on to beat both Hopkins then Jones as well.

Getting dropped by a shot to pieces Roy Jones is something you think deserves credit?

Getting dropped by that version of Hopkins isn't flattering either.

[Dr. Z]

He beat one HOF fighters, one that wasn't shot to pieces and 0 in their prime.

He was the WBO world champion for the vast majority of his reign which wasn't even considered a legitimate world title at the time.

At 168 he beat 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in a 10+ year period. That's a joke.

Not only is that far from "great" its shocking. He is no where even remotely close to a great fighter.

I count two hall of fame fighters ( Jones and Hopkins ). He beat seven ring magazine opponents according to Jab. Who should be have fought that he did not? Names please.

[IronDanHamza]

I count two hall of fame fighters ( Jones and Hopkins ). He beat seven ring magazine opponents according to Jab. Who should be have fought that he did not? Names please.

Exactly, 2 HOF'ers. One that wasn't shot to pieces and zero in their prime.

Anyone that was in the Top 5 since he only fought 2 at 168 in a 10+ year period.

[Dr. Z]

Exactly, 2 HOF'ers. One that wasn't shot to pieces and zero in their prime.

Anyone that was in the Top 5 since he only fought 2 at 168 in a 10+ year period.

YES, it two currently which is a lot. You incorrectly stated one. I asked you to name the people he should have fought. I ask you again. Do you have any names? Are you that type of low information hater?

He fought seven ring rated magazine fighters. Not the biggest amount, but not nothing either.

[IronDanHamza]

YES, it two currently which is a lot. You incorrectly stated one. I asked you to name the people he should have fought. I ask you again. Do you have any names? Are you that type of low information hater?

He fought seven ring rated magazine fighters. Not the biggest amount, but not nothing either.

I said he beat one HOF that was shot and one HOF that was past his prime so two in total.

There's a plethora of names of Top 5 ranked fighters that he didn't fight and I've listed those fighters numerous times if you want to know who they are then go back and look or check the Ring Annual Ratings yourself.

In a 10+ year period at 168 he fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5, that is an objective fact and an embarrassing one at that.

There is not one great fighter in the history of boxing that you can say that about, not one. Calzaghe is not an exception to that rule.

[Willie Pep 229]

So often we take our arguments to the extreme; we let our judgement slip away and argue all one thing.

I'm not into this debate either way - actually never bother to watch the Brit fight --> but a fighter who pulls himself off the canvas and continues to fight gets credit for that, I don't give a damn how old or shot the other fighter who dropped him might be.

You get up, you deserve respect, not have that judged against you.

In my boxing uinverse, you get up you get respect, you don't get criticism for it.

In my universe you climb through those ropes you deserve respect.

[Dr. Z]

I said he beat one HOF that was shot and one HOF that was past his prime so two in total.

There's a plethora of names of Top 5 ranked fighters that he didn't fight and I've listed those fighters numerous times if you want to know who they are then go back and look or check the Ring Annual Ratings yourself.

In a 10+ year period at 168 he fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5, that is an objective fact and an embarrassing one at that.

There is not one great fighter in the history of boxing that you can say that about, not one. Calzaghe is not an exception to that rule.

So in other words you can't name them @ 168. Your acting like he ducked them. Who was out there for him to fight? Toney ballooned up past 168, and the middle weights of the time did not fancy their chances.

Now if you know boxing history there are other fighters who are in the HOF who fought less. But then agin you don't know it.


Record in Title Fights: 24-0, 11 KO

Current/Former Alphabet Titlists Defeated: 8 (Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, Roy Jones Jr.)

Current/Former Lineal World Champions Defeated: 2 (Byron Mitchell, Bernard Hopkins)


Here educate you self.

https://www.boxingscene.com/measured...alzaghe--16920

[IronDanHamza]

So in other words you can't name them @ 168. Your acting like he ducked them. Who was out there for him to fight? Toney ballooned up past 168, and the middle weights of the time did not fancy their chances.

Now if you know boxing history there are other fighters who are in the HOF who fought less. But then agin you don't know it.


Record in Title Fights: 24-0, 11 KO

Current/Former Alphabet Titlists Defeated: 8 (Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, Roy Jones Jr.)

Current/Former Lineal World Champions Defeated: 2 (Byron Mitchell, Bernard Hopkins)


Here educate you self.

https://www.boxingscene.com/measured...alzaghe--16920

I can easily name them and I've done it on this exact website numerous times. The Ring Annual ratings is public information if you want to go and look at the list of numerous Top 5 ranked guys that he didn't fight during his 10+ year spell at 168 then you can. That's not my job to educate you.

I never once said Calzaghe ducked these fighters at 168, truth is he didn't. But the truth also is he only fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in 10+ years which is frankly pathetic, there's no other way to slice it. His resume is pitiful and that's not debatable.

How many fighters are in the HOF who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? A very small list.

How many great fighters are there who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? I would say ZERO.

[Mash121]

Let's not forget Hopkins was 43 and Jones hadn't looked like himself in nearly 5 years. Why wasn't slappy Joe trying g to make a Hopkins and Jones fight in 2001 and 2002??

Jones was looking really worn when Calzaghe fought him, it wasn't that great of a win. Hopkins should have got the W too, I watched the fight many times and its tough to score it for Calzaghe. I think he was very lucky.

Calzaghe was a great boxer but his career is very padded, with a lot of washed up fighters. He was carefully managed. Kessler and Lacy were dangerous fighters so credit for those wins. I find it hard to get excited about his record tbh.