Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[Dr. Z]

I can easily name them and I've done it on this exact website numerous times. The Ring Annual ratings is public information if you want to go and look at the list of numerous Top 5 ranked guys that he didn't fight during his 10+ year spell at 168 then you can. That's not my job to educate you.

I never once said Calzaghe ducked these fighters at 168, truth is he didn't. But the truth also is he only fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in 10+ years which is frankly pathetic, there's no other way to slice it. His resume is pitiful and that's not debatable.

How many fighters are in the HOF who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? A very small list.

How many great fighters are there who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? I would say ZERO.

Keep moving your goalposts. First it was zero, now your down to very few.

Byron Mitchell was raked in the top five by ring magazine. So was Kessler, Lacy, Reid, Hopinks, Bibka. I count six fighters ranked by ring magizne and I'm not even looking that hard. Time to move the goal posts again.

[Slugfester]

Jones was looking really worn when Calzaghe fought him, it wasn't that great of a win. Hopkins should have got the W too, I watched the fight many times and its tough to score it for Calzaghe. I think he was very lucky.

Calzaghe was a great boxer but his career is very padded, with a lot of washed up fighters. He was carefully managed. Kessler and Lacy were dangerous fighters so credit for those wins. I find it hard to get excited about his record tbh.

One cannot be a great boxer without proving it. Calzaghe only proved he could look like a great boxer, that doesn't make him one. Mosley sure looked great destroying the likes of Shannon Taylor. Vernon Forrest proved twice Shane was no great fighter, but just a damned good one.

Quite sorry whenever I learn that anyone is clodhopper enough to give Zaghe legacy credit for beating the likes of Jones at that time. Jones was a shadow of a shell compared to what he once was. He wasn't a shadow of himself or a shell of himself at the time. He was just the shadow of his shell. Have they bothered to even to watch his prime, or were they even born yet, son? You mahe a lot of good points in this letter.

[QueensburyRules]

I can easily name them and I've done it on this exact website numerous times. The Ring Annual ratings is public information if you want to go and look at the list of numerous Top 5 ranked guys that he didn't fight during his 10+ year spell at 168 then you can. That's not my job to educate you.

I never once said Calzaghe ducked these fighters at 168, truth is he didn't. But the truth also is he only fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in 10+ years which is frankly pathetic, there's no other way to slice it. His resume is pitiful and that's not debatable.

How many fighters are in the HOF who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? A very small list.

How many great fighters are there who fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 throughout their entire career? I would say ZERO.

- - Only thing you know about education is that you might possibly be potty trained.

I posted the irrefutable Ring Data that you ignored, the cause likely being the unfortunate illegitimate son of the long suffering Exlax gibbering MonkeyMan who makes periodic comebacks.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Only thing you know about education is that you might possibly be potty trained.

I posted the irrefutable Ring Data that you ignored, the cause likely being the unfortunate illegitimate son of the long suffering Exlax gibbering MonkeyMan who makes periodic comebacks.

You posted the END OF YEAR rankings. Which part of this are you struggling to understand?

You understand what "END OF YEAR" means, yes or no?

It means that those rankings were the rankings at the END OF THAT YEAR (December 31st)

Meaning the rankings you citied were AFTER the fought. Which, is irrelevant to your point because what matters is where they were ranked WHEN they fought.

And, WHEN they fought, Chris Eubank was unranked at 168. That is a FACT.

Do you understand, you fucking retard?

[IronDanHamza]

Keep moving your goalposts. First it was zero, now your down to very few.

Byron Mitchell was raked in the top five by ring magazine. So was Kessler, Lacy, Reid, Hopinks, Bibka. I count six fighters ranked by ring magizne and I'm not even looking that hard. Time to move the goal posts again.

Zero what? I never said zero.

Mitchell, Reid nor Bika were ranked in the Top 5 WHEN THEY FOUGHT.

Which part of "when they fought" are you people struggling to understand?

Reid was #6, is that Top 5 to you?

Bika wasn't even ranked, is that Top 5 to you?

Mitchell was coming off a loss and not in the Top 5.

[Dr. Z]

You posted the END OF YEAR rankings. Which part of this are you struggling to understand?

You understand what "END OF YEAR" means, yes or no?

It means that those rankings were the rankings at the END OF THAT YEAR (December 31st)

Meaning the rankings you citied were AFTER the fought. Which, is irrelevant to your point because what matters is where they were ranked WHEN they fought.

And, WHEN they fought, Chris Eubank was unranked at 168. That is a FACT.

Do you understand, you fucking retard?

Current ranking as close to month before they fought rankings matter, but you don't used them or refer to them. Calzaghe defeated 6-7 Men that were ranked by ring magazine.

[IronDanHamza]

Current ranking as close to month before they fought rankings matter, but you don't used them or refer to them. Calzaghe defeated 6-7 Men that were ranked by ring magazine.

I go off where they were ranked at the time the fought.

Mitchell, Bika nor Reid were in the Top 5 when they fought.

Lacy and Kessler, were in the Top 5 when they fought.

Which part of that aren't you understanding?

[Marchegiano]

I go off where they were ranked at the time the fought.

Mitchell, Bika nor Reid were in the Top 5 when they fought.

Lacy and Kessler, were in the Top 5 when they fought.

Which part of that aren't you understanding?

Why not past, current, and future?

[IronDanHamza]

Why not past, current, and future?

Future maybe.

Past? Irrelevant.

But realistically what matters is where they were ranked WHEN THEY FOUGHT.

[Dr. Z]

Zero what? I never said zero.

Mitchell, Reid nor Bika were ranked in the Top 5 WHEN THEY FOUGHT.

Which part of "when they fought" are you people struggling to understand?

Reid was #6, is that Top 5 to you?

Bika wasn't even ranked, is that Top 5 to you?

Mitchell was coming off a loss and not in the Top 5.

GET out of here. Read and learn! You a hater type, and not a very good one.


#97 – Joe Calzaghe

Career Record: 46-0 (32 KO)

First Ring Ranking: #10 Super Middleweight (January 1997)

Last Ring Ranking: World Light Heavyweight Champion (April 2009)

Record vs. Ring-rated Opponents: 9-0 (2 KO)

Overall Score Rank: 74

Peak Score Rank: 100

Win Total Rank: 168

Ring Magazine Championships: Super Middleweight (2006-08), Light Heavyweight (2008-09)

Joe Calzaghe won Ring Magazine championships at super middleweight and light heavyweight.

The inexhaustible Welshman tied the record for defenses of a title at super middleweight with Germany’s Sven Ottke. Calzaghe defended the WBO belt he won versus Chris Eubank 21 times. Calzaghe captured every major sanctioning body belt (if not all at the same time), and earned recognition as champion from The Ring over the course of a decade. Calzaghe rose to number one for the first time in the September 1999 issue and fell no lower than fourth until holding the number one spot from the November 2003 issue until being crowned champion after his win over Jeff Lacy. After defeating an undefeated Mikkel Kessler in a unification match to complete his tenure at super middleweight, Calzaghe rose to light heavyweight and defeated Bernard Hopkins for Ring’s light heavyweight honors.

Missing Quality: Richie Woodhall fell out of the top ten just a few months before a loss to Calzaghe in 2000 but had been a titlist in the class just two fights prior. Mario Veit was unranked prior to two title challenges of Calzaghe but would crack the top ten briefly in 2007. Sakio Bika was unranked prior to a loss to Calzaghe in 2006 but Bika would be ranked continuously for a long stretch between 2007 and 2014.

Scoring Results:

Chris Eubank UD 12 – (9) – 168 – 01/98

Robin Reid SD 12 – (7) – 168 – 05/99

Charles Brewer UD 12 – (5) – 168 – 08/02

Byron Mitchell TKO 2 – (6) – 168 – 10/03

Jeff Lacy UD 12* – (3) – 168 – 06/06

Peter Manfredo TKO 3 – (10) – 168 – 07/07

Mikkel Kessler UD 12 – (1) – 168 – 02/08

Bernard Hopkins SD 12* – (C+) – 175 – 07/08

Roy Jones Jr. UD 12 – (6) – 175 – 01/09

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