Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[them_apples]

He had the training camp of his life and got back to very near his prime due to being so motivated because it was Calzaghe. It was similar when Judah looked shot, but Angel Garcia pissed him off and came back to his prime for one last fight when he pushed Danny Garcia, who at the time was a legend of the sport, very close.

Nash calculates that Calzaghe, the older man, was 93% vs his ultimate prime, and Jones Jr. was 91% of his prime, but with Calzaghe winning 11 of the 12 rounds, it ended the debate over who was greater. Nash out

Having a great training camp won't bring his legs back. Them apples calculates that Jones was at about 65-70 percent of his prime. in Jones prime he doesn't lie on the ropes sucking wind lol

[Anthony342]

Calzighe really took advantage of how misjudged lacy was by the boxing pundits. Never really fought A level comp though. Excellent description of the Hopkins fight. The Jones fight is a joke.

Well, never fought A level comp when they were still A level too. And still was knocked down early on I heard vs. both Jones and Hopkins, so that doesn't say much about Calzaghe either. I still like him though and anyone can have an off night and still get beat. But you guys are right on with your assessments.

[billeau2]

Well, never fought A level comp when they were still A level too. And still was knocked down early on I heard vs. both Jones and Hopkins, so that doesn't say much about Calzaghe either. I still like him though and anyone can have an off night and still get beat. But you guys are right on with your assessments.

Its interesting when you delve into some of the sociology of these fighters. For example, Roy Jones was misguided by his father, or so he stated such in the sports illustrated article on him. But in Europe fighters like Hatton and Calzighe were managed by their dads, both of whom tried really hard to keep them undefeated, including controlling whom they fought. With Hatton I think this destroyed him... made him into a humping, safety first shell of the man who beat Zoo so incredibly. With Calzighe it was done on a more subtle level. But its the same mentality. God forbid a fighter loses... I look at Calzighe where this was so obvious and fighters like Andre Ward, who managed to go undefeated and fought them all... and IMO there is a difference.

[kara]

Lacy, Hopkins and Kessler ?

It's interesting how highly Clazaghe is regarded all these years later.

I always thought he was a highly skilled fighter. He never ducked anyone. The only fight he really rejected was Froch, who was a nobody at the time

[Rockin']

Has the man ever met a fighter, in the ring, that he didn't illegally slap? ............Rockin'

[Rockin']

I've always thought he was overrated. He was a good fighter and beat dome other good fighters, but no one great. His resume is pretty thin.

Not even mentioning how he illegally slapped/cuffed fighters.................Rockin'

[Anthony342]

Its interesting when you delve into some of the sociology of these fighters. For example, Roy Jones was misguided by his father, or so he stated such in the sports illustrated article on him. But in Europe fighters like Hatton and Calzighe were managed by their dads, both of whom tried really hard to keep them undefeated, including controlling whom they fought. With Hatton I think this destroyed him... made him into a humping, safety first shell of the man who beat Zoo so incredibly. With Calzighe it was done on a more subtle level. But its the same mentality. God forbid a fighter loses... I look at Calzighe where this was so obvious and fighters like Andre Ward, who managed to go undefeated and fought them all... and IMO there is a difference.

Ward and Marciano are probably the only noteworthy undefeated fighters. Calzaghe, Ibeabuchi, Valero, Mayweather and Joe Mesi are the only other ones I care about.

[QueensburyRules]

he's def a good fighter because he's decent in all categories. but he just never fought the best of his time. Hopkins was old and probably beat him just didn't sell it to the judges.

- - So crawling around the ring like a squealin' kicked cur with his protector pulled up around neck is your idea of a winner?

If so, that makes your winners into weiners, this particular weiner holding the Ring title with Roy being ranked #5.

Joe retired his brittle hands as the undisputed, undefeated Ring Champ at both 168/175, so read it and squeal some more, hopefully videotaped for our amusement.

[Slugfester]

Actually, I think both are somewhat over regarded. Calzaghe never beat an A fighter in their prime, or even close to it. But I am sure Tsyzu was the better P4P. Judah is the fighter who was smack dab in the middle of his prime when he was kayoed. Tsyzu managed this against a fighter who was quite a bit faster and evasive as well and could punch, which requires real skill. Tsyzu had a lot of technique in his punches. Far the best skill of Calzaghe was his evasiveness. He was good at slapping and getting out. He could have been an undefeated Russian face-slapping champion too, and beaten all the A slappers.

[MikeyMike100]

I have to disagree with Froch fighting much better fighters. He lost to Ward and Kessler and his rematch win over Kessler was a shot Kessler who retired afterwards. Froch was losing on the cards to Taylor when he pulled that stoppage win out of his ass in the final seconds. I think Calzaghe's wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones, a win over Reid 8 years before Froch got to him, and some decent wins over Shieka, Brewer, and Bika put him slightly ahead of Froch.

Froch fought better opposition. Calzaghe beat better opposition.