Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[MikeyMike100]

Lacy was P4P King before Calzaghe ruined him. Only Calzaghe beat the real Lacy, after that every loss Lacy had were like Mike Tyson's. Past prime so they don't count. He also beat late-bloomer Hopkins smack **** in the middle of his peak. He beat Kessler far better than the Nutcr@cker did, and made Roy Jones Jr at the back end of his prime look average. He also refused to give Froch an undeserved payday, so that's kind of like another win as well. He was a helluva fighter. Nash out

The Roy Jones part is hilarious

[Nash out]

Ok retirement is different but you still can't call it a "win."

Nash likes to award victories for fights that did not happen. it helps fill in the gaps for the history books. Nash out

[GhostofDempsey]

I started a thread Calzaghe vs Froch. I really don't know who would win. But I pointed out that Froch fought much better fighters.

I have to disagree with Froch fighting much better fighters. He lost to Ward and Kessler and his rematch win over Kessler was a shot Kessler who retired afterwards. Froch was losing on the cards to Taylor when he pulled that stoppage win out of his ass in the final seconds. I think Calzaghe's wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones, a win over Reid 8 years before Froch got to him, and some decent wins over Shieka, Brewer, and Bika put him slightly ahead of Froch.

[them_apples]

Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed Over the years

he's def a good fighter because he's decent in all categories. but he just never fought the best of his time. Hopkins was old and probably beat him just didn't sell it to the judges.

[them_apples]

Lacy was P4P King before Calzaghe ruined him. Only Calzaghe beat the real Lacy, after that every loss Lacy had were like Mike Tyson's. Past prime so they don't count. He also beat late-bloomer Hopkins smack **** in the middle of his peak. He beat Kessler far better than the Nutcr@cker did, and made Roy Jones Jr at the back end of his prime look average. He also refused to give Froch an undeserved payday, so that's kind of like another win as well. He was a helluva fighter. Nash out

lol how was Roy jones anywhere close to his prime, dude was shot.

[Nash out]

lol how was Roy jones anywhere close to his prime, dude was shot.

He had the training camp of his life and got back to very near his prime due to being so motivated because it was Calzaghe. It was similar when Judah looked shot, but Angel Garcia pissed him off and came back to his prime for one last fight when he pushed Danny Garcia, who at the time was a legend of the sport, very close.

Nash calculates that Calzaghe, the older man, was 93% vs his ultimate prime, and Jones Jr. was 91% of his prime, but with Calzaghe winning 11 of the 12 rounds, it ended the debate over who was greater. Nash out

[billeau2]

he's def a good fighter because he's decent in all categories. but he just never fought the best of his time. Hopkins was old and probably beat him just didn't sell it to the judges.

Calzighe really took advantage of how misjudged lacy was by the boxing pundits. Never really fought A level comp though. Excellent description of the Hopkins fight. The Jones fight is a joke.

[Willie Pep 229]

Dundee said he was fooled by Ali who had his best ever training camp vs. Holmes.

Maybe Dundee was just making excuses, maybe old fighters can look good in camp but discover it's all gone come fight night.

But claiming the guy was in his prime because he has a good camp is not a legit argument. It's like giving a guy a win for not fighting. But that would be silly.

You know, in The Music Man the entire town learned to play their newly purchased band instruments via "the think method."

Maybe that a new way to judge fighters as ATGs, just 'think' they are.

[JAB5239]

I started a thread Calzaghe vs Froch. I really don't know who would win. But I pointed out that Froch fought much better fighters.

Way better fighters!!

[JAB5239]

I've always thought he was overrated. He was a good fighter and beat dome other good fighters, but no one great. His resume is pretty thin.