Joe Jennette vs. Jack Johnson 1913

[travestyny]

No, stop your BS. Jeffries first knocked Out Griffin in his prime than later toyed with Griffin in 1901, the same man who beat Jack Johnson in 1901 , and drew with him twice with one of those draw in 1901 being favorable toward Johnson. In 1901, the " famine survivor " beat Johnson and was apparently the better according to the ref..

Johnson is from Denver and working as Kid Carter's spar-mate. According to the San Francisco Call, while the referee called it a draw, "...Griffin did most of the leading and seemed to be the cleverer of the two..."

In 1901? Jeffries was being asked to fight Johnson and McVey 2 years later in 1903. If he fought Black men in 1901, then what was his excuse for not doing so in 1903?

I'll tell you why. Because Griffin, like was mentioned, was like a famine survivor and Jeffries didn't want any part of Jack Johnson. He also didn't want any part of Mcvea.


Johnson already agreed with McIntosh period. He had already announced the fight publicly and it was nearly complete until McIntosh, not Johnson, pulled the plug. Just like you stated. I'm happy we agree here.

No one in their right mind faults Johnson for not sharing 6000 pounds with Langford when he can make much more as champion. Why wouldn't Jeffries take what he accepted to fight Griffin to fight Johnson or McVea? You can't have it both ways. Your rules don't seem to apply to your idol for some reason.


What "extra" demands are you talking about. As I've already stated, the forfeits were to be posted with Al Tierney, which was nothing out of the ordinary since this had been done time and time again. If McIntosh wanted to play games and try to post the forfeits to a newspaper in Australia then that's on him, because he knew months in advance that the forfeits were to be posted to Al Tierney.

You are like a broken record. Wherever you copy and pasted your info. from, I don't think you realize that you copy and pasted it twice

Now if your really want Jeffries opinion on the matter he said he would have win if he was young after the fight and too the pass. A lot of them. Train stories aside these are the facts. You are an ignorant person who does not know how to view boxing. Do I have to pull out this quote for you too?

Pull out any quotes that you want. I'll pull out the quote where he admit that he could never beat Johnson. You also talked up Langford picking Jeffries to win. Do yo want me to pull up the quotations of Langford saying Jeffries was just as fast and fit as he was in his prime, and Johnson treating him like a baby in the ring?



Johnson not only fought all of the men mentioned, but agreed to fight them again as champion. We can't say the same for Jeffries, who blatantly ducked them and had to be bulled by white racists to finally fight Johnson, where the asswhoopin that he knew he would get was delivered.

[Dr. Z]

In 1901? Jeffries was being asked to fight Johnson and McVey 2 years later in 1903. If he fought Black men in 1901, then what was his excuse for not doing so in 1903?

I'll tell you why. Because Griffin, like was mentioned, was like a famine survivor and Jeffries didn't want any part of Jack Johnson. He also didn't want any part of Mcvea.


Johnson already agreed with McIntosh period. He had already announced the fight publicly and it was nearly complete until McIntosh, not Johnson, pulled the plug. Just like you stated. I'm happy we agree here.

No one in their right mind faults Johnson for not sharing 6000 pounds with Langford when he can make much more as champion. Why wouldn't Jeffries take what he accepted to fight Griffin to fight Johnson or McVea? You can't have it both ways. Your rules don't seem to apply to your idol for some reason.


What "extra" demands are you talking about. As I've already stated, the forfeits were to be posted with Al Tierney, which was nothing out of the ordinary since this had been done time and time again. If McIntosh wanted to play games and try to post the forfeits to a newspaper in Australia then that's on him, because he knew months in advance that the forfeits were to be posted to Al Tierney.

You are like a broken record. Wherever you copy and pasted your info. from, I don't think you realize that you copy and pasted it twice





Pull out any quotes that you want. I'll pull out the quote where he admit that he could never beat Johnson. You also talked up Langford picking Jeffries to win. Do yo want me to pull up the quotations of Langford saying Jeffries was just as fast and fit as he was in his prime, and Johnson treating him like a baby in the ring?



Johnson not only fought all of the men mentioned, but agreed to fight them again as champion. We can't say the same for Jeffries, who blatantly ducked them and had to be bulled by white racists to finally fight Johnson, where the asswhoopin that he knew he would get was delivered.

You do not get it. Johnson lost in 1901 to that " famine " survivor in Griffin. The same man BEAT Johnson in 1901, and drew with him twice in the same year. One of those draws by the way was in Jack's favor, not Hanks! Meanwhile Jeffries toyed with the same man in 1901, and KO'd him when he was in his prime. Choynski knocked Johnson out cold in less than three rounds in 1901 . And Johnson lost to Hart in 1905. Mix in some dubious draws and no decisions for Johnson during the time frame. Okay he beat a teenage Sam Mcvey and a 20 year old listed at 156 pounds Sam Langford. They were kids. Oh yeah Jeanette was a raw novice back then with a losing record,

Jeffries also offered a private fight for Johnson in 1902 as he said he ( Johnson ) said could not draw flies. Johnson passed and did not take the fight. Yet you " think "Jeffries was affraid of him?

In 1903 Sam Mcvey was 18 years old and a novice. So Jeffries had one offer from the press, he made MUCH more vs. Corbett in 1903. FACT. Idiot! Sam Mcvey quit boxing for a year after losing to a skinny Martin the next year. He was disappointed in himself. You ignore the facts, and do not listen or comprehend how boxing was back then.
Jeffries would have pounded Johnson in 1901-1905. Got it?

Meanwhile Johnson had numerous offers from known promoters to fight Langford, Jeannette and Mcvey as champion when they were mature heavyweights. He did not and fought O'brein, Kaufman, Ross, Battling Jim Johnson , and Moran ( 1909-1914 )for peanuts. Look it up! Post the purses. Oh I know you won't which is why the icons will have to serve you the beat down on what you will not say.

[travestyny]

You do not get it. Johnson lost in 1901 to that " famine " survivor in Griffin. The same man BEAT Johnson in 1901, and drew with him twice in the same year. One of those draws by the way was in Jack's favor, not Hanks! Meanwhile Jeffries toyed with the same man in 1901, and KO'd him when he was in his prime. Choynski knocked Johnson out cold in less than three rounds in 1901 . And Johnson lost to Hart in 1905. Mix in some dubious draws and no decisions for Johnson during the time frame. Okay he beat a teenage Sam Mcvey and a 20 year old listed at 156 pounds Sam Langford. They were kids. Oh yeah Jeanette was a raw novice back then with a losing record,

Jeffries also offered a private fight for Johnson in 1902 as he said he ( Johnson ) said could not draw flies. Johnson passed and did not take the fight. Yet you " think "Jeffries was affraid of him?

In 1903 Sam Mcvey was 18 years old and a novice. So Jeffries had one offer from the press, he made MUCH more vs. Corbett in 1903. FACT. Idiot! Sam Mcvey quit boxing for a year after losing to a skinny Martin the next year. He was disappointed in himself. You ignore the facts, and do not listen or comprehend how boxing was back then.
Jeffries would have pounded Johnson in 1901-1905. Got it?

Meanwhile Johnson had numerous offers from known promoters to fight Langford, Jeannette and Mcvey as champion when they were mature heavyweights. He did not and fought O'brein, Kaufman, Ross, Battling Jim Johnson , and Moran ( 1909-1914 )for peanuts. Look it up! Post the purses. Oh I know you won't which is why the icons will have to serve you the beat down on what you will not say.

I thought I made this clear. Why are you talking about 1901 when he was being asked to fight Johnson and McVea in 1903?



Speaking of toyed with.....Johnson toyed with Jeffries...and Langford said Jeffries was no different than before.


Speaking of McVea, if Jeffries fought Griffin, why wouldn't he fight Sam. Was Griffin not black? If he was, then must have been some other reason. The purse was for $20,000. He took the money vs. Griffin but not vs. McVea. Why? Was he scared of losing to a Black man? I think it's not hard to tell. What do you think? McVea didn't look like a famine survivor, did he. I think that's what must have shook Jeffries up.



Johnson agreed to fight all of those men. Jeffries instead hid until the White racists begged him to defend the White race, then he took the aswhoopin he deserved. FACTS!

[travestyny]

Hey Dr. Z , media wasn't buying Jeffries color line bs!

[Willie Pep 229]

Reads like it's a 'negro' newspaper.

[JAB5239]

Hey Dr. Z , media wasn't buying Jeffries color line bs!

That last line says a lot.

[Ivich]

you do not get it. Johnson lost in 1901 to that " famine " survivor in griffin. The same man beat johnson in 1901, and drew with him twice in the same year. One of those draws by the way was in jack's favor, not hanks! Meanwhile jeffries toyed with the same man in 1901, and ko'd him when he was in his prime. Choynski knocked johnson out cold in less than three rounds in 1901 . And johnson lost to hart in 1905. Mix in some dubious draws and no decisions for johnson during the time frame. Okay he beat a teenage sam mcvey and a 20 year old listed at 156 pounds sam langford. They were kids. Oh yeah jeanette was a raw novice back then with a losing record,

jeffries also offered a private fight for johnson in 1902 as he said he ( johnson ) said could not draw flies. Johnson passed and did not take the fight. Yet you " think "jeffries was affraid of him?

In 1903 sam mcvey was 18 years old and a novice. So jeffries had one offer from the press, he made much more vs. Corbett in 1903. Fact. Idiot! Sam mcvey quit boxing for a year after losing to a skinny martin the next year. He was disappointed in himself. You ignore the facts, and do not listen or comprehend how boxing was back then.
Jeffries would have pounded johnson in 1901-1905. Got it?

meanwhile johnson had numerous offers from known promoters to fight langford, jeannette and mcvey as champion when they were mature heavyweights. He did not and fought o'brein, kaufman, ross, battling jim johnson , and moran ( 1909-1914 )for peanuts. Look it up! Post the purses. Oh i know you won't which is why the icons will have to serve you the beat down on what you will not say.

How about you post the purses, the promoters, and the venues for all these offers that you say Johnson refused?
Why, after all these requests that you do so ,have you continued to ignore them?
" I will never take a chance on losing my title to a black man."Jim Jeffries
Just what does that sound like to you?

[Dr. Z]

How about you post the purses, the promoters, and the venues for all these offers that you say Johnson refused?
Why, after all these requests that you do so ,have you continued to ignore them?
" I will never take a chance on losing my title to a black man."Jim Jeffries
Just what does that sound like to you?

I have done so many times. Why don't you post the purses for O' Brien, Ross, Kaufman, Jim Battling Johnson, and Moran? Well, are waiting

Johnson would have made more Vs Langford or Jeannette from 1909- 1914. Taking a huge purse to meet an old Jeffries who not fought in six years in one thing. Out right ducking the talent for 1909-1914 is another.

[Dr. Z]

I thought I made this clear. Why are you talking about 1901 when he was being asked to fight Johnson and McVea in 1903?



Speaking of toyed with.....Johnson toyed with Jeffries...and Langford said Jeffries was no different than before.


Speaking of McVea, if Jeffries fought Griffin, why wouldn't he fight Sam. Was Griffin not black? If he was, then must have been some other reason. The purse was for $20,000. He took the money vs. Griffin but not vs. McVea. Why? Was he scared of losing to a Black man? I think it's not hard to tell. What do you think? McVea didn't look like a famine survivor, did he. I think that's what must have shook Jeffries up.



Johnson agreed to fight all of those men. Jeffries instead hid until the White racists begged him to defend the White race, then he took the aswhoopin he deserved. FACTS!

Dude. I made it clear he made far more vs Corbett in the same year ( 1903 ). By the end of 1904 Jeffries was inactive and by 1905 he retied ... and the teenage Mcvey was out of the game by then too! DUH. Jeffries said he fight Hart who beat Jack Johnson in 1905 if there was demand for the match. There wasn't.


Only you think beating a 20 year old 156 pound Langford means something. And only you think he toyed with a man who was old and had not fought in six years. The fight was close enough after that end of the 9th round. But you have to watch the rounds to see it. I'm thinking you have not.

Sam Langford's manager advertised he would any man expect Jim Jeffers. I could post that for you but what's the point with your agenda. Sam was 20 and 156 pounds is 1906. He was even younger and lighter in 1905 - 1904. Sam would not last the distance vs. Jeffries in these years these like he did with Johnson, no way. By the way have you read Langford's account of the match? He says Johnson was floored and hurt with a punch. I posted it before in this forum.

- Dr Z

[travestyny]

Dude. I made it clear he made far more vs Corbett in the same year ( 1903 ). By the end of 1904 Jeffries was inactive and by 1905 he retied ... and the teenage Mcvey was out of the game by then too! DUH. Jeffries said he fight Hart who beat Jack Johnson in 1905 if there was demand for the match. There wasn't.

According to boxrec, he appears to have been free from July 1902 to August 1903. He fought Jack Munroe in 1904 who was 7-2 according to boxrec. Couldn't he have fought McVey or Johnson instead or any time in between? It was a year between his fight with Corbett and Munroe.

McVey was still active in 1903 and 1904.

There was obviously demand for the match as you can see from the article I posted above.

Only you think beating a 20 year old 156 pound Langford means something. And only you think he toyed with a man who was old and had not fought in six years. The fight was close enough after that end of the 9th round. But you have to watch the rounds to see it. I'm thinking you have not.

LMAO. You are delusional. That fight wasn't close at all.

Sam Langford's manager advertised he would any man expect Jim Jeffers. I could post that for you but what's the point with your agenda. Sam was 20 and 156 pounds is 1906. He was even younger and lighter in 1905 - 1904. Sam would not last the distance vs. Jeffries in these years these like he did with Johnson, no way. By the way have you read Langford's account of the match? He says Johnson was floored and hurt with a punch. I posted it before in this forum.

- Dr Z

I don't know how you switched the conversation from Sam McVey to Sam Langford. I only brought up Langford because you mentioned him picking Jeffries to win. What he also mentioned was that Jeffries was in great shape but Johnson treated him like a baby in the ring.



But I hope you get the overall point. Jeffries had some fights for some quick money grabs, as you admit, but some bigger fights for major money. No different from Johnson. You can't play it one way for your idol and differently for Johnson just because you hate him. Besides. Johnson did a lot more to make those fights than Jeffries did to fight McVey or Johnson, until the white supremacists guilt tripped him into it.