Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Ivich]

If I'm not mistaken, Wlad fought 17 of those names. Also what Queenie refuses to accept is that boxing is not a tag team sport.

Vitali makes Wlad look like Ali for resume!

[Willie Pep 229]

If I'm not mistaken, Wlad fought 17 of those names. Also what Queenie refuses to accept is that boxing is not a tag team sport.

Is there truth to the story that a major fighter refused to fight Vitali because the contract bound him to fight Wald next, (if he defeated Vitali. )

Heard this, no clue if it's BS or not.

[Ivich]

Is there truth to the story that a major fighter refused to fight Vitali because the contract bound him to fight Wald next, (if he defeated Vitali. )

Heard this, no clue if it's BS or not.

Haye was one, another was one of the Russians if they took the fight and won they had to commit to defending against an opponent of K2's choice
no surprises as to whom that "opponent ,"would have been.

[Willow The Wisp]

So.....pause here to contemplate.
WAS Vitali Klitschko the Last Great Heavyweight????

My vote is: аж ніяк не! (No).

[Ivich]

So.....pause here to contemplate.
WAS Vitali Klitschko the Last Great Heavyweight????

My vote is: аж ніяк не! (No).

Head to head he would pose a problem for anyone imo,but his resume doesn't warrant the word Great being bestowed on it.

[Willow The Wisp]

Head to head he would pose a problem for anyone imo,but his resume doesn't warrant the word Great being bestowed on it.

Agree. About sums it up. And to be fair, that alone is a very laudable distinction, but for those of us resistant to throwing the word GREAT around casually, it is going to have to be enough. 2nd best heavyweight at the dinner table in the Klitschko household.

[Dr. Z]

Head to head he would pose a problem for anyone imo,but his resume doesn't warrant the word Great being bestowed on it.

Well then James Toney is only 10-6-2 vs Ring Magazine opponents ( 160-heavyweight ) and Joe Frazier is but 10-4 , but Vitali 8-2 vs ring magazine rated opponents ( not listed here O Solis who as we saw TWICE was rated in ring magazines top ten ) once via box rec link and once via way back machine doesn't warrant greatness depute the fact the he made the hall of fame one the very first year he was eligible but many others including Toney did not?

Here it what Cliff says the raitings were:

• 04/01/2000 - RTD by 9 Chris Byrd (#10 at Heavyweight)
• 06/21/2003 - TKO by 6 Lennox Lewis (Champion at Heavyweight)
• 04/24/2004 - TKO8 Corrie Sanders (#3 at Heavyweight)
• 12/11/2004 - TKO8 Danny Williams (#9 at Heavyweight)
• 10/11/2008 - RTD8 Sam Peter (#2 at Heavyweight)
• 03/21/2009 - TKO9 Juan Carlos Gomez (#9 at Heavyweight)
• 09/26/2009 - RTD10 Chris Arreola (#6 at Heavyweight)
• 12/12/2009 - UD12 Kevin Johnson (#10 at Heavyweight)
• 09/10/2011 - TKO10 Tomasz Adamek (#2 at Heavyweight)

Now add O Solis to the list which brings his confirmed total to 8-2.

[Dr. Z]

First of all you asked him to provide 15 heavyweights with better resumes.
Which he did .
Jim Jeffries
Jack Dempsey
Jack Sharkey
harry Wills
Sam Langford
Max Schmeling
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ken Norton
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Rid**** Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Wlad Klitschko
Tyson Fury



Your words below.
"Can you name 15 better heavyweights in terms of resume? I don't think you can"


Then you asked him,challenged him ,to name 10 heavyweight with more Ring magazine rated wins.

You've been given 15 and ignored them.

These are your words complete with spelling mistake.
Are you now going to continue to deny making this challenge?

"You will struggle to name 10 fighters who beat more ring magazine rated guys at heavyweight. I challenge you to name them! Are you going to run away from that? Come one hater you have nearly 100 years of history."
Below are the 15.

Schmeling
Sharkey
Liston
Holmes
Lewis
Louis
Ali
Baer
Frazier
Walcott
Charles
Tyson
Holyfield
Wlad
Patterson

Realising you had overreached yourself and were beaten,you then tried to alter things introducing another less demanding stipulation for yourself saying Vitali had more than 6 ranked wins,something Jab never contested at any time and certainly something he never bet you on ,as his posts will conclusively prove!

You adopted your usual weasely tactics but were undone and its very gratifying to see!

Who says Fury has a better resume? You and drunk UK based posters? That does not count Also who says Schmeling, Sharkey, Baer or Patterson has a better resume? Not the IBRO which is often referred to here ,and they are partial to the old timers.

You remain an utter joke. You forgot to name Joe Savage to the list.

[Ivich]

Who says Fury has a better resume? You and drunk UK based posters? That does not count Also who says Schmeling, Sharkey, Baer or Patterson has a better resume? Not the IBRO which is often referred to here ,and they are partial to the old timers.

You remain an utter joke. You forgot to name Joe Savage to the list.

Schmeling
Sharkey
Baer
Patterson
Beat more top ten Ring ranked opponents than Vitali = better resumes! It's that simple!
The IBRO is a fan club, anyone can join who thinks its worth spending $85 to be able to say,I'm a member .No expertise,or boxing knowledge is required,to qualify, all you need is the requisite $85,and the willingness to part with it, even you would be accepted!

[Ivich]

Well then James Toney is only 10-6-2 vs Ring Magazine opponents ( 160-heavyweight ) and Joe Frazier is but 10-4 , but Vitali 8-2 vs ring magazine rated opponents ( not listed here O Solis who as we saw TWICE was rated in ring magazines top ten ) once via box rec link and once via way back machine doesn't warrant greatness depute the fact the he made the hall of fame one the very first year he was eligible but many others including Toney did not?

Here it what Cliff says the raitings were:

• 04/01/2000 - RTD by 9 Chris Byrd (#10 at Heavyweight)
• 06/21/2003 - TKO by 6 Lennox Lewis (Champion at Heavyweight)
• 04/24/2004 - TKO8 Corrie Sanders (#3 at Heavyweight)
• 12/11/2004 - TKO8 Danny Williams (#9 at Heavyweight)
• 10/11/2008 - RTD8 Sam Peter (#2 at Heavyweight)
• 03/21/2009 - TKO9 Juan Carlos Gomez (#9 at Heavyweight)
• 09/26/2009 - RTD10 Chris Arreola (#6 at Heavyweight)
• 12/12/2009 - UD12 Kevin Johnson (#10 at Heavyweight)
• 09/10/2011 - TKO10 Tomasz Adamek (#2 at Heavyweight)

Now add O Solis to the list which brings his confirmed total to 8-2.

Even if your figures for Vitali are correct there are still 15 men with more wins over top ten Ring ranked opponents.
You lost the challenge you so sneeringly threw out to Jab ,If you had any sense of self respect,any shame, you would have admitted it, but as has been proven you don't
RAITINGS? lol.

Cliff washed his hands of you,he can obviously spot a closed minded liar.