Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Willow The Wisp]

Wait...
Did someone qualify Vitali with the mention of Joe Frazier? Or did I dream that?
Frazier beat a 29 year old undefeated Muhammad Ali in arguably Ali's most important fight. If Vitali had KOd his more versitile and accomplished brother, it still wouldn't have come close.

[BattlingNelson]

If I'm not mistaken, Wlad fought 17 of those names. Also what Queenie refuses to accept is that boxing is not a tag team sport.

It was kinda seen as such by the german TV, promotors and public though. If one brother had beaten fighter A, there was no need for the other brother to fight fighter A. If one brother lost to fighter B, revenge was achieved when the other brother beat fighter B. Like it or not, but that was the state of affairs in germany and that's where the money was (and also why anglon posters without any evidence claim that that era was the worst ever, but that's just a side-note.)

[QueensburyRules]

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say how grateful we are for your unparalleled insight..
Here are a few of those that Vitali somehow missed .All top ten ranked when he was.
Tua
Tyson
Barrett
Jefferson
McCline
Haye
Helenius
Ibragimov
Golota
Chagaev
Valuev
Brewster
Virchis
Dimitrenko
Toney
Ruiz
Holyfield
Maskaev
Povetkin
Thompson
Pulev
Boytsov
Lyakovitch
Oquendo
Peter
Fury
Ibeabuchi
Chambers

28 names.
Rather a lot to somehow have missed?
Briggs hadn't been a ranked contender for 4 years! And Vitali's previous opponent Sosnowski was never ranked.
Your attempt to produce a silk purse here has met with dismal failure,but I know you will not be daunted! lol
Name a Ring ranked heavyweight Hide ko'd ? ps not Bent.

Hide won the first 2 rounds against Bowe both by a single point , that's it! No beating.Then he got hammered!

• Judge: Jerry Roth 48-42

  1 9 10	2 9 10	3 10 7	4 10 7	5 10 8

• Judge: Chuck Giampa 48-42

  1 9 10	2 9 10	3 10 7	4 10 7	5 10 8

• Judge: Bill Graham 48-45

  1 9 10	2 9 10	3 10 8	4 10 7	5 10 10

Vitali didn't ever clean out anything ,and he had no intention of trying to!
Vitali quit his trainer can be heard urging him to continue to which he responds it hurts to much.
ps The injury was not pre fight.

Buddy McGirt went into the Whitaker fight with a torn rotator cuff and gutted out the distance.
Larry Holmes went into the Norton fight with a torn left biceps muscle.
Danny Williams dislocated his shoulder against Mark Potter,but continued through the pain to ko Potter
Kevin Finnegan ,Artur Abraham,Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali are just 4 men who continued to fight on and go the distance with broken jaws.
Vitali was entitled to quit if he wanted to, just don't try and make it anything but what it was, a quit job.
Your act is getting awfully tired now.

- - Could do the same with Joe Louis over a career. Fact is there is a literal industry of top black fighters he didn't fight.

Prob with top 10 is a fighter can only fight one at a time, and most all drop out after entering, but of course you might need a math tutor to show you how that works.

[JAB5239]

It was kinda seen as such by the german TV, promotors and public though. If one brother had beaten fighter A, there was no need for the other brother to fight fighter A. If one brother lost to fighter B, revenge was achieved when the other brother beat fighter B. Like it or not, but that was the state of affairs in germany and that's where the money was (and also why anglon posters without any evidence claim that that era was the worst ever, but that's just a side-note.)

I didn't realize it was viewed like that in Germany. I'm of the mindset thought that because one avenged a fight for the other, that the other still does not get credit. This is boxing. It's only what that person does that counts towards his legacy.

[Ivich]

- - Could do the same with Joe Louis over a career. Fact is there is a literal industry of top black fighters he didn't fight.

Prob with top 10 is a fighter can only fight one at a time, and most all drop out after entering, but of course you might need a math tutor to show you how that works.

It was gone into deep detail on another forum when Dr Z tried to smear Louis, time dates were examined and rankings compared only two or 3 men had a case for a title shot and 2 of them only briefly.Louis fought and beat 25 top ten ranked men ,only Ali came close.
Ramage 10
Ramage 10
Carnera 2
M Baer 4
Ettore 9
Braddock Champ
Farr 4
Mann 3
Schmeling 1
Galento 4
Pastor 3
Godoy 3
Paychek 6
Godoy 9
Burman 3
Simon 4
Nova 9
B Baer 6
B Baer 7
Simon 5
Conn1
Mauriello 2
Walcott 3
Walcott 1
Black fighters fought
Toles
Bivins
Walcott
Walcott
Lewis
Bivins
Lazer
Agramonte
Agramonte
Charles
Ko'd in exhibitions
Ray
Valdes
No maths tutor needed, just some research!
When Dr Z floated this BS he included men like Larry Gains or Gianes as he called him,and Willie Reddish.total nonsense that was quickly discredited. Among those who said it was BS was this guy. recognize him?

"This crops up like the typical jock itch of most sports reporters looking to be in the middle of any controversy that sells.

The timeline does not support this faerie Army of dominant black contenders." Queensbury Rules.

Why don't you give the trolling a rest and post something worth reading? Unlike another ,you have proven you can.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Could do the same with Joe Louis over a career. Fact is there is a literal industry of top black fighters he didn't fight.

Prob with top 10 is a fighter can only fight one at a time, and most all drop out after entering, but of course you might need a math tutor to show you how that works.

We've fully unpacked the black fighters of the Louis era in another thread less than a year ago. Not as impressive as one might think, given depression era economics + Customary mistreatment of blacks; and completely lacking in even one ostracized contender who might have given Louis any trouble whatsoever.

[BattlingNelson]

I didn't realize it was viewed like that in Germany. I'm of the mindset thought that because one avenged a fight for the other, that the other still does not get credit. This is boxing. It's only what that person does that counts towards his legacy.

Germany does not have the boxing tradition as the US or UK. The Klitschko brothers was always a twin company. They appeared together in live shows, talk shows, commercials and everything. Always together. They were super popular for being great at their profession and wellarticulate in many languages including German. Plus they came as the Cold War had ended and the Berlin Wall was gone. The story of them coming from the poor Eastern Europe making their fame and fortune in Germany was something Germans loved.

[Dr. Z]

It was gone into deep detail on another forum when Dr Z tried to smear Louis, time dates were examined and rankings compared only two or 3 men had a case for a title shot and 2 of them only briefly.Louis fought and beat 25 top ten ranked men ,only Ali came close.
Ramage 10
Ramage 10
Carnera 2
M Baer 4
Ettore 9
Braddock Champ
Farr 4
Mann 3
Schmeling 1
Galento 4
Pastor 3
Godoy 3
Paychek 6
Godoy 9
Burman 3
Simon 4
Nova 9
B Baer 6
B Baer 7
Simon 5
Conn1
Mauriello 2
Walcott 3
Walcott 1
Black fighters fought
Toles
Bivins
Walcott
Walcott
Lewis
Bivins
Lazer
Agramonte
Agramonte
Charles
Ko'd in exhibitions
Ray
Valdes
No maths tutor needed, just some research!
When Dr Z floated this BS he included men like Larry Gains or Gianes as he called him,and Willie Reddish.total nonsense that was quickly discredited. Among those who said it was BS was this guy. recognize him?

"This crops up like the typical jock itch of most sports reporters looking to be in the middle of any controversy that sells.

The timeline does not support this faerie Army of dominant black contenders." Queensbury Rules.

Why don't you give the trolling a rest and post something worth reading? Unlike another ,you have proven you can.

Louis fought Toles? Just like Jack Johnson fought Gunboat Smith, right?

Joe Louis only fought 3 back men John Henry Lewis, Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles for title shots of 23 attempts! He should have lost two matches, and JH Lewis could't see well enough to get a boxing license today. Sure he Louis did not use the color line. Keep telling your self that. I failed to explain this to morons.

[JAB5239]

Louis fought Toles? Just like Jack Johnson fought Gunboat Smith, right?

Joe Louis only fought 3 back men John Henry Lewis, Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles for title shots of 23 attempts! He should have lost two matches, and HJ Lewis could't see well enough to get a boxing license today. Sure he Louis did not use the color line. I failed to explain this to morons.

I'm counting 6 not including the exhibitions where he had KO's against Ray and Valdez. Walcott, Charles, Bivins, Lazar, Agramonte, Lewis. A far cry better than what Jeffries fought. But while we're on the topic why did Vits fight so few eastern europeans? I mean since this is such an important aspect to you you must surely have an answer.

[Ivich]

Louis fought Toles? Just like Jack Johnson fought Gunboat Smith, right?

Joe Louis only fought 3 back men John Henry Lewis, Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles for title shots of 23 attempts! He should have lost two matches, and HJ Lewis could't see well enough to get a boxing license today. Sure he Louis did not use the color line. I failed to explain this to morons.

Here you are ******.
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Jan 4 Patsy Perroni Detroit, Mi W 10
Jan 11 Hans Birkie Pittsburgh, Pa TK 10
Feb 21 Lee Ramage Los Angeles, Ca TK 2
-Some sources report 2/01/35
Mar 8 Donald "Red" Barry San Francisco, Ca TK 3
Mar 29 Natie Brown Detroit, Mi W 10
-Some sources report 3/28/35
Apr 12 Roy Lazer Chicago, Il TK 3
-Some sources report 4/13/35
Apr 22 Biff Bennett Dayton, Oh KO 1
Apr 25 Roscoe Toles Flint, Mi KO 6

NB Its also in Louis ' autobiography

ps How many black men did Jeffries defend his title against?lol