Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[JAB5239]

- - AJ say he made more than both combined, so they can keep their mickey mouse title that don't even have a championship belt.

How much money a fighter makes is only an indication of popularity, not fighting prowess. Holmes and Fury were and are way better fighters than AJ, and it's a lock that this is how history will remember it. They were the men who beat the men to win the Lineal World title. Deal with it chump.

[Dubblechin]

In order a to be a great fighter, You must beat other great fighters or at least a very good one. He hasn't done that yet.

Oh please.

Tyson Fury beat the two longest reigning heavyweight champions of the 21st century. Wlad Klitschko was champion for 10 years and had made 18 straight successful defenses (and will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer) and Deontay Wilder was WBC champion for five years, had made 10 straight successful defenses and he was undefeated for 12 years.

Tyson Fury is the largest "WORLD" Heavyweight Champion in boxing history (not counting Nicolai Valuev).

Fury's a great fighter. People saying he's arguably the best ever are basing that on how they'd imagine other heavyweights from the past doing against the 6'9" 280-pound boxer/puncher.

Considering how great Fury is at using his weight as an advantage on the inside, how great he is about fighting at a distance and how great he is at roughing guys up on the inside when he chooses to do so, it's easy to see how he could beat every champ who came before him.

There isn't a heavyweight champ from the past where anyone could say Fury has NO chance to win against that guy.

Could he lose to someone? Sure. At this point would Fury be the favorite against practically everyone? Yes. If you think Ali or Louis would be favored over him, fine. But there wouldn't be many others.

He's one of the top heavyweights ever.

[Willie Pep 229]

Oh please.

Tyson Fury beat the two longest reigning heavyweight champions of the 21st century. Wlad Klitschko was champion for 10 years and had made 18 straight successful defenses (and will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer) and Deontay Wilder was WBC champion for five years, had made 10 straight successful defenses and he was undefeated for 12 years.

Tyson Fury is the largest "WORLD" Heavyweight Champion in boxing history (not counting Nicolai Valuev).

Fury's a great fighter. People saying he's arguably the best ever are basing that on how they'd imagine other heavyweights from the past doing against the 6'9" 280-pound boxer/puncher.

Considering how great Fury is at using his weight as an advantage on the inside, how great he is about fighting at a distance and how great he is at roughing guys up on the inside when he chooses to do so, it's easy to see how he could beat every champ who came before him.

There isn't a heavyweight champ from the past where anyone could say Fury has NO chance to win against that guy.

Could he lose to someone? Sure. At this point would Fury be the favorite against practically everyone? Yes. If you think Ali or Louis would be favored over him, fine. But there wouldn't be many others.

He's one of the top heavyweights ever.

Or you could say he beat an old man and a one trick pony (right hand) and nothing more.

Of course he would have a "chance" against any one from the past, he's 6' 9" - but only a chance.

Needs to take on both the Ukrainian and AJ or he will always be a ?

[QueensburyRules]

Oh please.

Tyson Fury beat the two longest reigning heavyweight champions of the 21st century. Wlad Klitschko was champion for 10 years and had made 18 straight successful defenses (and will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer) and Deontay Wilder was WBC champion for five years, had made 10 straight successful defenses and he was undefeated for 12 years.

Tyson Fury is the largest "WORLD" Heavyweight Champion in boxing history (not counting Nicolai Valuev).

Fury's a great fighter. People saying he's arguably the best ever are basing that on how they'd imagine other heavyweights from the past doing against the 6'9" 280-pound boxer/puncher.

Considering how great Fury is at using his weight as an advantage on the inside, how great he is about fighting at a distance and how great he is at roughing guys up on the inside when he chooses to do so, it's easy to see how he could beat every champ who came before him.

There isn't a heavyweight champ from the past where anyone could say Fury has NO chance to win against that guy.

Could he lose to someone? Sure. At this point would Fury be the favorite against practically everyone? Yes. If you think Ali or Louis would be favored over him, fine. But there wouldn't be many others.

He's one of the top heavyweights ever.

- - Especially when Flubber ducks his biggest fights and purses. Thanks for the reminder...

[Dubblechin]

Or you could say he beat an old man and a one trick pony (right hand) and nothing more.

Of course he would have a "chance" against any one from the past, he's 6' 9" - but only a chance.

Needs to take on both the Ukrainian and AJ or he will always be a ?

Anyone 'could' say they were an old man and a one-trick pony ... but to anyone who did say that, I'd recommend they remove their head out of their ass.

Wlad and Wilder were dominant heavyweight champions.

They didn't sc**** by for 10 or 12 years barely hanging on to belts via split decisions ... they brutalized their challengers.

Taking two of the longest reigning heavyweight champions (not just this century but ever) ... who went undefeated for 10 or 12 years and made 18 and 10 successful heavyweight title defenses respectively ... and trying to diminish them just makes those people seem like idiots.

Fury has already beaten top heavyweights in boxing history. Wlad and Wilder are two top heavyweights who are now part of the sport's history.

I'd love to see him fight Usyk and Joyce and Joshua, as well. I'm sure he'll get around to it. Fury is one of those heavyweights who we'll probably still see in the ring well into his 40s. He'll quit. He'll come back. He'll quit again. He'll come back again. It's in his blood.

People aren't saying he has the best record in boxing history. People saying Fury may be the best ever are comparing the strengths he brings to the table and imagining how champs of the past would've done against him.

Fury can't go back in time and fight Ali or Louis, so really the more styles we see him against the better.

Beating Usyk will help add to his successful resume. When Fury beats Usyk, nobody is going to say the Wlad and Wilder wins meant nothing, but THAT USYK WIN THAT WAS SPECIAL ... they'll just add it to the list of Fury wins and move on.

Badmouthing dominant champs Fury beat undercuts any arguments people make. Just acknowledge they were dominant champs, acknowledge Fury defeated both, and add it to the styles of guys he was able to defeat.

[Willie Pep 229]

Anyone 'could' say they were an old man and a one-trick pony ... but to anyone who did say that, I'd recommend they remove their head out of their ass.

Wlad and Wilder were dominant heavyweight champions.

They didn't sc**** by for 10 or 12 years barely hanging on to belts via split decisions ... they brutalized their challengers.

Taking two of the longest reigning heavyweight champions (not just this century but ever) ... who went undefeated for 10 or 12 years and made 18 and 10 successful heavyweight title defenses respectively ... and trying to diminish them just makes those people seem like idiots.

Fury has already beaten top heavyweights in boxing history. Wlad and Wilder are two top heavyweights who are now part of the sport's history.

I'd love to see him fight Usyk and Joyce and Joshua, as well. I'm sure he'll get around to it. Fury is one of those heavyweights who we'll probably still see in the ring well into his 40s. He'll quit. He'll come back. He'll quit again. He'll come back again. It's in his blood.

People aren't saying he has the best record in boxing history. People saying Fury may be the best ever are comparing the strengths he brings to the table and imagining how champs of the past would've done against him.

Fury can't go back in time and fight Ali or Louis, so really the more styles we see him against the better.

Beating Usyk will help add to his successful resume. When Fury beats Usyk, nobody is going to say the Wlad and Wilder wins meant nothing, but THAT USYK WIN THAT WAS SPECIAL ... they'll just add it to the list of Fury wins and move on.

Badmouthing dominant champs Fury beat undercuts any arguments people make. Just acknowledge they were dominant champs, acknowledge Fury defeated both, and add it to the styles of guys he was able to defeat.

Na! - boxing ends tomorrow he is quickly forgotten and doesn't enter the ATG lists. He just becomes a size freak. He needs more BIG wins.

He bored us to death vs Wald; he did wow us twice, but unfortunately with the same opponent.

Not enough there yet; if boxing ends tomorrow you're the only kid on your block calling Fury an ATG. Potential isn't enough to make the list; time to step up!.

[Willow The Wisp]

Oh please.

Tyson Fury beat the two longest reigning heavyweight champions of the 21st century. Wlad Klitschko was champion for 10 years and had made 18 straight successful defenses (and will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer) and Deontay Wilder was WBC champion for five years, had made 10 straight successful defenses and he was undefeated for 12 years.

Tyson Fury is the largest "WORLD" Heavyweight Champion in boxing history (not counting Nicolai Valuev).

Fury's a great fighter. People saying he's arguably the best ever are basing that on how they'd imagine other heavyweights from the past doing against the 6'9" 280-pound boxer/puncher.

Considering how great Fury is at using his weight as an advantage on the inside, how great he is about fighting at a distance and how great he is at roughing guys up on the inside when he chooses to do so, it's easy to see how he could beat every champ who came before him.

There isn't a heavyweight champ from the past where anyone could say Fury has NO chance to win against that guy.

Could he lose to someone? Sure. At this point would Fury be the favorite against practically everyone? Yes. If you think Ali or Louis would be favored over him, fine. But there wouldn't be many others.

He's one of the top heavyweights ever.

I agree with this post.

[mrbig1]

AJ beat Wlad K. Does that make AJ an all time great?

[Willow The Wisp]

Na! - boxing ends tomorrow he is quickly forgotten and doesn't enter the ATG lists. He just becomes a size freak. He needs more BIG wins.

He bored us to death vs Wald; he did wow us twice, but unfortunately with the same opponent.

Not enough there yet; if boxing ends tomorrow you're the only kid on your block calling Fury an ATG. Potential isn't enough to make the list; time to step up!.

I agree that there is more work to do. But I also beleive that he can DO that work. I do challenge use of the term "Step Up" however. I mean, step up to who?? To what?? Usyk? What's he ever done at heavyweight outside of two stealthy nods over a guy that Andy Ruiz butchered? Joyce? What, Slow Joe? No go. Wilder IV? Enough allready, they're slowly murdering each other. Ortiz? Done, twice. Ruiz? Sure, but we are lead to think that he's tied to Wilder next for a US supremacy match. Joshua? He doesn't seem to want the inevitable beating in fights with Fury or Wilder, and if you have trouble against the level of Ruiz and Usyk it's easy to see why! Francis Ngannou was keen on a fight under straight guy rules but his slave masters at the UFC wouldn't allow it. Rico Verhoeven, the last of the really great heavyweight Kickboxing champions is the king of a sport again on life support, but Fury's already kicked his butt in the gym several times. It's not that the Heavyweight division is lacking talent and depth; it is arguably the finest in decades; but finding the man who represents a threat to Tyson Fury is next to impossible right now. Most likely he resides within the next generation to come, but by the time he's ready for a title shot, Fury will be old enough to claim age as the cause of his ouster. That condition comes to ALL fighters who do not retire "prematurely".

[Willow The Wisp]

AJ beat Wlad K. Does that make AJ an all time great?

A retired and reanimated Klitschko. Not the reigning and active champion that Fury dethroned much earlier. I'll say this though. When Joshua got off the deck to pull the fight out in that one, many were convinced that he was on the path to greatness, myself among them. And then, the rest of his career happened. Today his legacy seems half way between Larry Holmes and ....Michael Grant.