Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[QueensburyRules]

Coetzee fought Tate in late '79. When did Holmes refuse to fight Coetzee? This is all quite early for Holmes, he is only a recognized champion for four months at this point.

I guess they were jumping all over the white skin of Coetzee right out of the gate; they got that fight in Cooney.

- - Weaver defense was Lar 3rd. Couple days later Coetzee KOs Leon and calls out Lar.

The only $$$ for the fight is SAfrica, so a career purse package was put forth and rejected by Lar who played his race card. His next fight is Shavers who almost KOs Lar.

Tate took that Lar offer to outpoint Coatzee in Pretoria after the Shaver fight. Later Weaver KOs Coatzee ca 1980 in late rounds after losing most every round. Is someone here going to say Tate and Weaver were racist in supporting SAfrica when boxing was not part of the political arm of SA like boxing was for the Soviets then?

[JAB5239]

- - Weaver defense was Lar 3rd. Couple days later Coetzee KOs Leon and calls out Lar.

The only $$$ for the fight is SAfrica, so a career purse package was put forth and rejected by Lar who played his race card. His next fight is Shavers who almost KOs Lar.

Tate took that Lar offer to outpoint Coatzee in Pretoria after the Shaver fight. Later Weaver KOs Coatzee ca 1980 in late rounds after losing most every round. Is someone here going to say Tate and Weaver were racist in supporting SAfrica when boxing was not part of the political arm of SA like boxing was for the Soviets then?

Coetzee wasn't even the champion when he beat Spinks and had to finish fighting in the four man tournament of Top Rank fighters to get the WBA strap.

Holmes stood by his morals over money. He was already the true heavyweight champion of the world. Only you would fault the man for having principles for protesting a racist regime.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Weaver defense was Lar 3rd. Couple days later Coetzee KOs Leon and calls out Lar.

The only $$$ for the fight is SAfrica, so a career purse package was put forth and rejected by Lar who played his race card. His next fight is Shavers who almost KOs Lar.

Tate took that Lar offer to outpoint Coatzee in Pretoria after the Shaver fight. Later Weaver KOs Coatzee ca 1980 in late rounds after losing most every round. Is someone here going to say Tate and Weaver were racist in supporting SAfrica when boxing was not part of the political arm of SA like boxing was for the Soviets then?

OK my timeline was off --> I had Holmes winning title in '79 instead of '78. Now all the fights fit into place. Thanks.

I still feel we need to see how Don King fits into the picture. why didn't he want Holmes to fight Coetzee?

It is Bob Arum who promotes the Tate/Weaver fights in SA. So he wasn't bothered by the segregation laws.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Just say the WBA, and that covers a half dozen champs he ducked.

Poor jabby still stuck in his grade school pre pimple days.

...Cept for Weaver, whom Holmes blew away Before Weaver won the WBA strap by decapitating Tate. Weaver then defended against Coetzee and Dokes. All guys who got blasted out before a step up fight with Champion Holmes could be finalized. Not complicated. A WBA title was simply a way for King to sell "Championship" fights from two angles, protecting a string of pedestrian contenders from their one & done beatings from Holmes (Tate, Weaver, Dokes, Coetzee, Page, Tubbs, Witherspoon...). The Only two of those "alternate champions" with even a remote shot at giving Holmes some trouble in that bunch were Weaver and Spoon, whom Holmes had already beaten up BEFORE they became "Champions. Let us also remember that leading up to all this DK scullduggery, Ali was aging out, lost and regained to/from Leon Spinks, leaving #1 Norton with no 4th Ali fight. So Holmes, the best of the new generation, was matched up with Norton, Beat Norton, then beat up both Spinks and Ali, solidifying his championship claim beyond any doubt. Tate, the 76' US Olympic failure (unceremoniously KO'd by Teófilo Stevenson in Montreal) was then used to overcome Kallie Knoetze and Gerrie Coetzee to claim the silly WBA title that had been stripped from Leon for failure to defend against Norton, who had instead opted to rematch Ali. Remember, the saga includes Ali, Spinks and Norton....all of whom got their beatings pretty quickly by Holmes. Open and shut case regarding title lineage. The WBA pretenders were no better (and in fact not as good as) the long line of available contenders that Holmes beat up on for YEARS. Let us fuerther remember that later in Holmes tremendous reign of dominance, that he literally dumped his long held WBC belt and ushered in a 3rd sanctioning body, the IBF; who conferred their new title recognition on Holmes, when he grew tired of the WBCs insatiable demands at the direction of the derelict Don King; proving forever tha the Fights and the Fighters and the Fans matter, and plastic "title" belts and the bandito sanctioning bodies and their promoter partners who buy their belts DON'T. Now everyone, please, stop feeding the trolls!!!!! Lol.

[QueensburyRules]

...Cept for Weaver, whom Holmes blew away Before Weaver won the WBA strap by decapitating Tate. Weaver then defended against Coetzee and Dokes. All guys who got blasted out before a step up fight with Champion Holmes could be finalized. Not complicated. A WBA title was simply a way for King to sell "Championship" fights from two angles, protecting a string of pedestrian contenders from their one & done beatings from Holmes (Tate, Weaver, Dokes, Coetzee, Page, Tubbs, Witherspoon...). The Only two of those "alternate champions" with even a remote shot at giving Holmes some trouble in that bunch were Weaver and Spoon, whom Holmes had already beaten up BEFORE they became "Champions. Let us also remember that leading up to all this DK scullduggery, Ali was aging out, lost and regained to/from Leon Spinks, leaving #1 Norton with no 4th Ali fight. So Holmes, the best of the new generation, was matched up with Norton, Beat Norton, then beat up both Spinks and Ali, solidifying his championship claim beyond any doubt. Tate, the 76' US Olympic failure (unceremoniously KO'd by Teófilo Stevenson in Montreal) was then used to overcome Kallie Knoetze and Gerrie Coetzee to claim the silly WBA title that had been stripped from Leon for failure to defend against Norton, who had instead opted to rematch Ali. Remember, the saga includes Ali, Spinks and Norton....all of whom got their beatings pretty quickly by Holmes. Open and shut case regarding title lineage. The WBA pretenders were no better (and in fact not as good as) the long line of available contenders that Holmes beat up on for YEARS. Let us fuerther remember that later in Holmes tremendous reign of dominance, that he literally dumped his long held WBC belt and ushered in a 3rd sanctioning body, the IBF; who conferred their new title recognition on Holmes, when he grew tired of the WBCs insatiable demands at the direction of the derelict Don King; proving forever tha the Fights and the Fighters and the Fans matter, and plastic "title" belts and the bandito sanctioning bodies and their promoter partners who buy their belts DON'T. Now everyone, please, stop feeding the trolls!!!!! Lol.

- - All Tubby Lar had to do was say, "YO, I want this new WBA guy next." He never did.

That's what Mike Tyson did. That's what Wlad did. That's what AJ did. That ain't what Tubby Lar did. He whined and threw a hissy fit when he couldn't carry Rocky's jockstrap that Michael Spinks picked up for him.

A single belt holder in a multi belt era, title record vs champs winning titles in the ring is 0-6, 0 KO when he finally do step up.

[JAB5239]

- - All Tubby Lar had to do was say, "YO, I want this new WBA guy next." He never did.

That's what Mike Tyson did. That's what Wlad did. That's what AJ did. That ain't what Tubby Lar did. He whined and threw a hissy fit when he couldn't carry Rocky's jockstrap that Michael Spinks picked up for him.

A single belt holder in a multi belt era, title record vs champs winning titles in the ring is 0-6, 0 KO when he finally do step up.

He wasnt a single belt holder. He was the lineal heavyweight champion, meaning all championship roads had to go through him, not the other way around. And if any of those guys could have held on to the WBA trinket we may have seen a Holmes fight to unify that belt as well. You can't blame Holmes for that.

[Willow The Wisp]

He wasnt a single belt holder. He was the lineal heavyweight champion, meaning all championship roads had to go through him, not the other way around. And if any of those guys could have held on to the WBA trinket we may have seen a Holmes fight to unify that belt as well. You can't blame Holmes for that.

That is precisely correct. Tyson was guided into unification against Holmes era leftovers, Wlad never collected unification against his brother and Joshua never got within sniffing distance of the real lineage before starting a losing streak.

[QueensburyRules]

He wasnt a single belt holder. He was the lineal heavyweight champion, meaning all championship roads had to go through him, not the other way around. And if any of those guys could have held on to the WBA trinket we may have seen a Holmes fight to unify that belt as well. You can't blame Holmes for that.

- - Better off citing Candyland Rules since there is zer0 lineal rules to be had other than the thousands of lineal idiots who can't even tie their shoes much less come up with a credible lineal org where you have Marvin Hart or JJohnson as lineal.

It's what we've come to expect out of your abbreviated grade school education.


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[JAB5239]

- - Better off citing Candyland Rules since there is zer0 lineal rules to be had other than the thousands of lineal idiots who can't even tie their shoes much less come up with a credible lineal org where you have Marvin Hart or JJohnson as lineal.

It's what we've come to expect out of your abbreviated grade school education.


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In case you need a little help.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Li...eight_Champion

[QueensburyRules]

In case you need a little help.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Li...eight_Champion

- - Based on the defunct cyberboxing zone criteria of the man who beat The Man is now?

Simple for simpletons for U...