Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[JAB5239]

- - Ali right or wrong was something of an immature political and religious activist. Lar just soggy milquetoast under hot lights.

US Olympic Medalist Big John Tate with infinitely more Olympic credentials than Lar went over to fight Coetzee in SA because he knew he'd get a square deal along with a career payday.

Boxing as a sport had zero to do with SA politics, but keep on thinking you always the good guy and everyone else always the bad guy that you share wif Lar.

Go git'em, Tiger...

Tate with infinite more Olympic experience, Holmes with Infinite more experience being a world champion.

Again, just because Tate chose to go over to fight for a title he didn't have doesn't mean Larry ducked Coetzee. Larry was protesting the South African politics of the time and understably so. More than that, Holmes was the heavyweight champion of the world, not just a mere trinket holder.

And me being a good or bad guy has nothing to do with the FACT Holmes didn't duck Coetzee as he did indeed sign to fight him, but the fight fell apart through no fault of his own. All this while Coetzee was the number one contender and still very relevant mind you. Something you appearently didn't know, yet you expect us to believe your propaganda and lies.

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Tate with infinite more Olympic experience, Holmes with Infinite more experience being a world champion.

Again, just because Tate chose to go over to fight for a title he didn't have doesn't mean Larry ducked Coetzee. Larry was protesting the South African politics of the time and understably so. More than that, Holmes was the heavyweight champion of the world, not just a mere trinket holder.

And me being a good or bad guy has nothing to do with the FACT Holmes didn't duck Coetzee as he did indeed sign to fight him, but the fight fell apart through no fault of his own. All this while Coetzee was the number one contender and still very relevant mind you. Something you appearently didn't know, yet you expect us to believe your propaganda and lies.

- - Lar never once entered civil rights activists debates. He made up a convenient excuse to excuse himself for working for DKing who was a South African mainstay back then.

What grade was U in then?

[JAB5239]

- - Lar never once entered civil rights activists debates. He made up a convenient excuse to excuse himself for working for DKing who was a South African mainstay back then.

What grade was U in then?

Read it and weep, moron.

https://ringsidereport.com/?p=78653

title fight and signed Greg Page to go to South Africa for the fight. Holmes was quoted as saying “I think King should be ashamed of himself, he’s always talking about his principles. It seems he sold em. If a man’s got principles, you can’t buy em.” And this wasn’t the first time Holmes called out people over this. In 1980 when Mike Weaver went to South Africa to defend the WBA title (and beat) Coetzee, Holmes called Weaver, “a traitor to his country and a traitor to his race”.

Larry Holmes is often criticized for only “caring about the money”. However, it is reported that he turned down 30 Million dollars (an unheard of amount of money then) to go to South Africa and fight Coetzee. Principles were more important than money to the champ. Holmes often publicly spoke out against Apartheid and was even arrested along with Desmond Tutu, Rosa Parks, Yolanda King, Amy Carter (daughter of President Jimmy Carter), Jesse Jackson and 25 members of congress at a protest outside the South African Embassy in Washington D.C in February, 1985.

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- - Ali right or wrong was something of an immature political and religious activist. Lar just soggy milquetoast under hot lights.

US Olympic Medalist Big John Tate with infinitely more Olympic credentials than Lar went over to fight Coetzee in SA because he knew he'd get a square deal along with a career payday.

Boxing as a sport had zero to do with SA politics, but keep on thinking you always the good guy and everyone else always the bad guy that you share wif Lar.

Go git'em, Tiger...

Let us be realistic. If Holmes didn't fight Coetzee it's because Don King didn't want him to. So we need to find out what bothered King about the fight, not Holmes.

Was it political, was it the fight itself, was it King had a different deal on the table?

The answer lies with Don King's decision making, not Holmes.

P.S. According to some pposters on this forum Dempsey was suspose to ignore Kearns and Rickard and fight Harry Wills anyway. So why didn't Holmes step up and ignore the political temperament of the day and give Coetzee his shot at the title? If Dempsry ducked so did Holmes. Personally I don't think either did.

[JAB5239]

Let us be realistic. If Holmes didn't fight Coetzee it's because Don King didn't want him to. So we need to find out what bothered King about the fight, not Holmes.

Was it political, was it the fight itself, was it King had a different deal on the table?

The answer lies with Don King's decision making, not Holmes.

P.S. According to some pposters on this forum Dempsey was suspose to ignore Kearns and Rickard and fight Harry Wills anyway. So why didn't Holmes step up and ignore the political temperament of the day and give Coetzee his shot at the title? If Dempsry ducked so did Holmes. Personally I don't think either did.

King wanted him to, Holmes just stuck to his morals. See the article in my post before this. Larry never ducked. He was in fact a Rockstar for standing his ground instead of succumbing to money.

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Rockstar! Only if you agree with those politics. What about Coetzee doesn't he get his shot?

[JAB5239]

Let us be realistic. If Holmes didn't fight Coetzee it's because Don King didn't want him to. So we need to find out what bothered King about the fight, not Holmes.

Was it political, was it the fight itself, was it King had a different deal on the table?

The answer lies with Don King's decision making, not Holmes.

P.S. According to some pposters on this forum Dempsey was suspose to ignore Kearns and Rickard and fight Harry Wills anyway. So why didn't Holmes step up and ignore the political temperament of the day and give Coetzee his shot at the title? If Dempsry ducked so did Holmes. Personally I don't think either did.

I never heard Dempsey acknowledge a willingness to meet Wills besides the failed attempts to sign. It's also a far cry to say a white fighter (Dempsey) shouldn't have fought the black fighter even though it was the right thing to do compared to Holmes not going to South Africa which was definitely the right thing to do.

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I never heard Dempsey acknowledge a willingness to meet Wills besides the failed attempts to sign. It's also a far cry to say a white fighter (Dempsey) shouldn't have fought the black fighter even though it was the right thing to do compared to Holmes not going to South Africa which was definitely the right thing to do.

That's just it, it is not a 'far cry.' They are the same except that you agree with one political stand and abhor the other.

Holmes is a rockstar but Dempsey is a ducker. For the same decision/duck!

[JAB5239]

That's just it, it is not a 'far cry.' They are the same except that you agree with one political stand and abhor the other.

Holmes is a rockstar but Dempsey is a ducker. For the same decision/duck!

Except Holmes was standing against racism and Dempsey was holding pat. Come on now man!!

[Willie Pep 229]

Except Holmes was standing against racism and Dempsey was holding pat. Come on now man!!

Yes! Same thing. Just opposite sides of the same coin, boxing wise.

I understand you believe one stand to be correct and the other wrong. I agree, but you can't say one guy was ducking and had an obligation to challenge current attitudes (Dempsey) and that the other guy (Holmes) is not ducking because he took a political stand you agree with.

You're willing to accept one fighter's decision/excuse while refusing to apply the same standard to the other fighter.