Wilder versus Marciano who wins?

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder is not a "thug", the word used in the common vernacular. (The term is actually derived from Sanskrit sthagati).

[QueensburyRules]

I'll ask again....what has Wilder done to be considered. "thug"? You pointed out what others have done wrong supposedly who surround him, but nothing that he's done.

- - U vitch likes this...

[The D3vil]

Yeah you're a victim aren't you.picked on and singled out because of your colour.
No offfence Mate but just FUVK OFF. ****** Victims like you, whatever colour they are just bore the living **** out of me!
Thug is from the Asian word Thuggee a 14th century band of criminals,and is routinely used in the UK to describe any criminal activity whether it be football hooliganism or mugging it has no colour connotations in my country.

ONE poster on here Queensbury Rules ,a poster of unsurpassing ******ity ,used it wrongly and now you're constructing a White on Black oppression crusade out of it,

PATHETIC


"In the wake of violence and unrest in Baltimore, media commentators as well as politicians - including President Barack ***** - called rioters "thugs" .
What colour is *****?


I'm here for boxing not to read about fake imagined discrimination,go bleed somewhere else.

Dummy, you just made MY point for me.

***** was talking about people out rioting, looting, and SHOOTING people.

When was Deontay Wilder out rioting, looting, or shooting anybody?

Barack ***** was using the word CORRECTLY to describe people causing chaos.

You're so ****** that you can't help but expose your own damn racism.

comparing a good family man to rioters & looters is out and out asinine and racist.

[Ivich]

Dummy, you just made MY point for me.

***** was talking about people out rioting, looting, and SHOOTING people.

When was Deontay Wilder out rioting, looting, or shooting anybody?

Barack ***** was using the word CORRECTLY to describe people causing chaos.

You're so ****** that you can't help but expose your own damn racism.

comparing a good family man to rioters & looters is out and out asinine and racist.

I wondered how long it would take you to get around to calling me a racist

My best friend comes from Montserrat and is Black .

I joined and contributed financially to the ANC when Nelson Mandela began his heroic crusade against that disgusting practice APARTHEID

I also went on marches protesting against it.
WTF have you ever done for Black people?


Wilder was arrested and arraigned for domestic violence.
I don't know how that worked out
If you have a problem with ONE poster,[Queensbury Fool ,]here calling

Wilder a thug,take it up with him not me, I didn't call him anything!

You've now played your racist card,so let's just give each other a miss.

I'm here to discuss boxing,not imagined prejudice.

[Dr. Z]

This match up has some very intriguing elements... it would be nice to get some response along the lines of such elements: For one thing, Wilder weighed in for the hellanius fight at 214 pounds. The size queens have been told and it is confirmed that the average size for a punching heavyweight remains fairly constant. Wilder is at his best at his lightest... That is a fact because Wilder needs his foot speed and the extra weight does not help his punch.

Marciano never came into the ring with an advantage in reach... Lol. So Wilder's reach becomes less of an advantage. Also let us consider how Marciano stated (when narrating his fight) that maintaining a crouch at all times was important... We can deduce that Marciano would not be an easy target. Finally, while it seems absurd to put Marciano against gigantic heavyweights (seems so to some), there is no really absurd weight advantage for Wilder in this bout. it is exxagerated but, there is some truth to the fact that Marciano at least occasionally fought as the lighter guy.

Styles make fights. Wilder gets away using a relatively modern style of fighting, one also used by David Haye and Martinez: he stays away, far away, then ambushes his opponent. He gets away with this because there are no real pressure fighting heavyweights these days, with perhaps the exception of Chisora... but none as great as Marciano. Fighters today also make so many mistakes... helenius lunged and was wide open for the counter...

Marciano would not allow Wilder to fight in the ambush style in which Wilder likes to fight... he would pressure Wilder consistently. Marciano would be in a crouch and not be in a position to be hit like with no guard up, like so many of these fighters today.

Sorry, but Ivich is running this tread to the ground again and it's in jeopardy of being locked. I have not check all transcripts of the back and forth stuff but it seems he is having issues with two other posters in this thread alone. Maybe more. I'm noticing a trend here of locked threads. Can the guy please knock it off?

The topic is a good one. It's not like Rocky lacked one punch power, as Ivich once said and the points made by both sides are good in general.

[The D3vil]

I wondered how long it would take you to get around to calling me a racist

My best friend comes from Montserrat and is Black l.

I joined and contributed financially to the ANC when Nelson Mandela began his heroic crusade against that disgusting practice APARTHEID

I also went on marches protesting against it.
WTF have you ever done for Black people?


Wilder was arrested and arraigned for domestic violence.
I don't know how that worked out
If you have a problem with ONE poster,[Queensbury Fool ,]here calling

Wilder a thug,take it up with him not me, I didn't call him anything!

You've now played your racist card,so let's just give each other a miss.

I'm here to discuss boxing,not imagined prejudice.

Oh, the old "my best friend is Black" nonsense.

Convenient rebuttal of EVERY single racist.

You all have the same Black friend

So, Deontay Wilder's a "thug" because he got into a fight with his GF a DECADE AGO

So, John Lennon beat women and even wrote songs about it?

How come nobody ever refers to him as a thug?

Marlon Brando beat women how come nobody calls him a thug?

Even Vanilla Ice has a DV charge, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Stone Cold Steve Austin was a woman beater, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Just face it, you're a clown, you're a racist.

You had no reason to call Deontay a thug other than he's a Black man who's masculine, so you reached back a decade to find something that he's moved FARRRR past from.

This is why I have to put idiots like you on ignore.

[JAB5239]

Oh, the old "my best friend is Black" nonsense.

Convenient rebuttal of EVERY single racist.

You all have the same Black friend

So, Deontay Wilder's a "thug" because he got into a fight with his GF a DECADE AGO

So, John Lennon beat women and even wrote songs about it?

How come nobody ever refers to him as a thug?

Marlon Brando beat women how come nobody calls him a thug?

Even Vanilla Ice has a DV charge, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Stone Cold Steve Austin was a woman beater, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Just face it, you're a clown, you're a racist.

You had no reason to call Deontay a thug other than he's a Black man who's masculine, so you reached back a decade to find something that he's moved FARRRR past from.

This is why I have to put idiots like you on ignore.

I don't believe he ever called Wilder a thug. That was Queenie. Ivich, if I not mistaken only questioned your rant. I do believe you both have mistaken one another's motives in this thread.

[Ivich]

Oh, the old "my best friend is Black" nonsense.

Convenient rebuttal of EVERY single racist.

You all have the same Black friend

So, Deontay Wilder's a "thug" because he got into a fight with his GF a DECADE AGO

So, John Lennon beat women and even wrote songs about it?

How come nobody ever refers to him as a thug?

Marlon Brando beat women how come nobody calls him a thug?

Even Vanilla Ice has a DV charge, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Stone Cold Steve Austin was a woman beater, how come nobody calls him a thug?

Just face it, you're a clown, you're a racist.

You had no reason to call Deontay a thug other than he's a Black man who's masculine, so you reached back a decade to find something that he's moved FARRRR past from.

This is why I have to put idiots like you on ignore.

NB I never called Wilder a thug and I said I don't know how his case worked out..Thank you for putting me on ignore,you saved me a job!
If there is a racist on this thread it is undoubtedly you my friend.
Keep you colour issues for a more suitable platform.

THIS AIN'T IT!

I'm doing well here, so far I've been accused of ,having several alts, being a Sam Langford hater,a Marciano hater, a hater of both Klitschko's,a devil worshipper, *****philia, supporting ********* organizations, and now racism.

Any plans I might have had about leaving are definitely shelved .my curiosity about what label is next is just too overwhelming to ignore!

[Ivich]

I don't believe he ever called Wilder a thug. That was Queenie. Ivich, if I not mistaken only questioned your rant. I do believe you both have mistaken one another's motives in this thread.

I don't believe I have mistaken his motives, he is what we call in the UK ." a professional black man,"and I'm not referring to his employment.
For the record I've attacked no one on this thread.

I couldn't give a **** what colour any human being is.My User photo on Classic was of me and Jimmy Glenn, arms around each others shoulders, in his bar Jimmy's Corner in NY.Jimmy who died of covid ,was black, a fine boxing trainer and boxer, he fought Floyd Patterson in the amateurs and trained Howard Davis in the pros.He was a great gentleman and his bar in Upper West 44th Street Manhattan, now run by his son is an oasis for boxing fans.

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The poster slithering out to assassinate my character at every opportunity with his misspelt howlers,and with the blatant intention of getting me banned,doesn't perturb me in the slightest. I don't respond to him any more.

[Anthony342]

I don't believe I have mistaken his motives, he is what we call in the UK ." a professional black man,"and I'm not referring to his employment.
For the record I've attacked no one on this thread.

I couldn't give a **** what colour any human being is.My User photo on Classic was of me and Jimmy Glenn, arms around each others shoulders, in his bar Jimmy's Corner in NY.Jimmy who died of covid ,was black, a fine boxing trainer and boxer, he fought Floyd Patterson in the amateurs and trained Howard Davis in the pros.He was a great gentleman and his bar in Upper West 44th Street Manhattan, now run by his son is an oasis for boxing fans.

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The poster slithering out to assassinate my character at every opportunity with his misspelt howlers,and with the blatant intention of getting me banned,doesn't perturb me in the slightest. I don't respond to him any more.

Good for you man. Don't. And you can always use the ignore feature on here as well.