Wilder versus Marciano who wins?

[HOUDINI563]

Have no idea how any knowledgeable boxing fan would turn a hypothetical matchup into racial bias. Race, color, religion NEVER affect my analysis. Not in any way shape or form.

Wilder does not know how to fight. Big right hand yes. That’s it. Marciano is the real deal and an overall boxing talent of the highest regard. Note Cus’s remarks at the very beginning of this video if you don’t believe me. Then watch the rest. Marciano was very cute constantly sliding in and out/down and around, setting traps, forcing opponents to lean in and down, parrying, blocking, ducking. weaving.

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Unless Rocky is hit with a ko blow it’s a one sided beat down for how ever long it lasts. I’d say 7-9 rounds. Marciano ko 8 over Wilder.

[Willow The Wisp]

Have no idea how any knowledgeable boxing fan would turn a hypothetical matchup into racial bias. Race, color, religion NEVER affect my analysis. Not in any way shape or form.

Wilder does not know how to fight. Big right hand yes. That’s it. Marciano is the real deal and an overall boxing talent of the highest regard. Note Cus’s remarks at the very beginning of this video if you don’t believe me. Then watch the rest. Marciano was very cute constantly sliding in and out/down and around, setting traps, forcing opponents to lean in and down, parrying, blocking, ducking. weaving.

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Unless Rocky is hit with a ko blow it’s a one sided beat down for how ever long it lasts. I’d say 7-9 rounds. Marciano ko 8 over Wilder.

Yea, Rocky gets inside and works from there. I agree with that.

Aside from the mutt & jeff hypothetical match thing (hypothetical matches kind of the low rent district of fight conversations anyway); claiming that "Wilder does not know how to fight" is a big tell. Huge. You're one of those posters who vacilates between good and bad ideas. It happens, no worries. Anyway who the hell am I to judge you, right? But if, say, a lumberjack or a cop, or a bouncer or an MMA fighter had a big right hand but in what Seems like reality "did not know how to fight", but Still made $40 million winning 44 Pro fights, 10 of them world title fights; wouldn't any sane and intelligent person question their own observations?? It's a purely rhetorical question and the only sane and intelligent answer is YES. So why is Wilder an exception?
Favoritism? Pig headedness? Racism? What!??

Fact is, every lumberjack, cop, bouncer or MMA fighter on earth would LOVE to be able to do what Wilder has done - without exception. They didn't cuz they couldn't. They couldn't cuz they lack layer upon layer of very rare gifts and skills! School's out.

[HOUDINI563]

Yea, Rocky gets inside and works from there. I agree with that.

Aside from the mutt & jeff hypothetical match thing (hypothetical matches kind of the low rent district of fight conversations anyway); claiming that "Wilder does not know how to fight" is a big tell. Huge. You're one of those posters who vacilates between good and bad ideas. It happens, no worries. Anyway who the hell am I to judge you, right? But if, say, a lumberjack or a cop, or a bouncer or an MMA fighter had a big right hand but in what Seems like reality "did not know how to fight", but Still made $40 million winning 44 Pro fights, 10 of them world title fights; wouldn't any sane and intelligent person question their own observations?? It's a purely rhetorical question and the only sane and intelligent answer is YES. So why is Wilder an exception?
Favoritism? Pig headedness? Racism? What!??

Fact is, every lumberjack, cop, bouncer or MMA fighter on earth would LOVE to be able to do what Wilder has done - without exception. They didn't cuz they couldn't. They couldn't cuz they lack layer upon layer of very rare gifts and skills! School's out.

Have no idea what you are writing about here. Wilder does not know how to fight. Period. Can’t slip a jab and counter, nothing but a right hand. Add to this VERY CRAPPY trainers who have done NOTHING to improve this mess. Marciano from a boxing skill standpoint is Gene Tunney as compared to Wilder. Wilder has a punchers chance vs Marciano and that’s it.

Watch this video:

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[mrbig1]

6-7 vs 5-10. That's too much. If they were the same size, Rocky beats his ass with no problem.

[Bundana]

Wilder does not know how to fight. Period. Can't slip a jab and counter, nothing but a right hand. Add to this VERY CRAPPY trainers who have done NOTHING to improve this mess. Marciano from a boxing skill standpoint is Gene Tunney as compared to Wilder. Wilder has a punchers chance vs Marciano and that's it.

Good to see a completely unbiased post for a change - from someone who knows his boxing, telling it like it is. Those subtle boxing skills exhibited here by Rocky, wow - would turn Tunney green with envy!

Rocky Marciano vs Lee Savold 13.2.1952 (Selected Round Highlights) - YouTube

[Willow The Wisp]

Have no idea what you are writing about here. Wilder does not know how to fight. Period. Can’t slip a jab and counter, nothing but a right hand. Add to this VERY CRAPPY trainers who have done NOTHING to improve this mess. Marciano from a boxing skill standpoint is Gene Tunney as compared to Wilder. Wilder has a punchers chance vs Marciano and that’s it.

Watch this video:

https://*************/watch?v=EXQLmz-IRdU

You go with that.

[Willie Pep 229]

Good to see a completely unbiased post for a change - from someone who knows his boxing, telling it like it is. Those subtle boxing skills exhibited here by Rocky, wow - would turn Tunney green with envy!

Rocky Marciano vs Lee Savold 13.2.1952 (Selected Round Highlights) - YouTube

Your sarcasm aside is there another HW that can match that 'punches thrown' count? (Maybe Joe Frazier.) But God Marciano is one of the busiest HWs I've seen?

P.S. He had the KO in the sixth but it slipped away as he fell through the ropes. Not an impressive outing fer sure.

[Bundana]

Your sarcasm aside is there another HW that can match that 'punches thrown' count? (Maybe Joe Frazier.) But God Marciano is one of the busiest HWs I've seen?

P.S. He had the KO in the sixth but it slipped away as he fell through the ropes. Not an impressive outing fer sure.

To tell you the truth (and I'm being serious here)... there are few boxers, that I admire more than Marciano! Incredibly hard worker, tons of heart, fantastic stamina - it's very hard not to admire what he accomplished, despite his physical shortcomings.

I just think some people take it a little too far, when they start talking about his wonderfull skills. Sorry, I just don't see it.

And that thing about Wilder having absolutely zero ability/skills... how often do we need to hear that nonsense! Ok, he's no SRR - but surely there's more to him than just a big right hand?

As for the fantasy fight discussed in this thread, I honestly can't give Rocky much of a chance. I'm not one of those guys, who think size is everything - but in this case the difference is simply too overwhelming!

[QueensburyRules]

To tell you the truth (and I'm being serious here)... there are few boxers, that I admire more than Marciano! Incredibly hard worker, tons of heart, fantastic stamina - it's very hard not to admire what he accomplished, despite his physical shortcomings.

I just think some people take it a little too far, when they start talking about his wonderfull skills. Sorry, I just don't see it.

And that thing about Wilder having absolutely zero ability/skills... how often do we need to hear that nonsense! Ok, he's no SRR - but surely there's more to him than just a big right hand?

As for the fantasy fight discussed in this thread, I honestly can't give Rocky much of a chance. I'm not one of those guys, who think size is everything - but in this case the difference is simply too overwhelming!

- - The key thing to remember, today using relevant fighter data, fight cannot be sanctioned.

Also, Deyonce was a 90KG gold medalist, not a modern professional heavyweight much like Cassius turning pro under the 90KG Ama limit very near Rocky high weight. Those weights could be sanctioned both pro and ama, but at what point cannot the fights be sanctioned? Cassius, and most especially Deyonce were on weight gaining programs whereas Rocky burned off some 25 lbs every training camp.

So, it really don't matter in a fantasy fight if the usual boxing misanthrope claims Deyonce KOs Bob Fitzsimmons because they could never fight. All that really matters is Bob Fitzsimmons was a better, more versatile fighter than Deyonce as well as a better heavy champ, and certainly more beloved in spite of being English born and raised in New Zealand before immigrating to America.

Rocky being introduced into the 12 round era of extensive weight training and modern nutrition principles could easily fill out at 215 lbs like Deyonce. Now we have a fight in principle, only lacking the reality of results which is where fight fans drunk on fantasy come in. I personally think Rocky crouched style combined with a two fisted body attack could reduce Deyonce before Rocky gets reduced. Rocky miniscule target area, his bobbing noggin, is tiny compared with the Deyonce more stationary body target area, but guess what?

Will never be proven on this earth in our lifetimes, so let it be and get on with the current reality that boxing is no longer relevant to most of the world population compared to soccer and basketball!

[Willow The Wisp]

- - The key thing to remember, today using relevant fighter data, fight cannot be sanctioned.

Also, Deyonce was a 90KG gold medalist, not a modern professional heavyweight much like Cassius turning pro under the 90KG Ama limit very near Rocky high weight. Those weights could be sanctioned both pro and ama, but at what point cannot the fights be sanctioned? Cassius, and most especially Deyonce were on weight gaining programs whereas Rocky burned off some 25 lbs every training camp.

So, it really don't matter in a fantasy fight if the usual boxing misanthrope claims Deyonce KOs Bob Fitzsimmons because they could never fight. All that really matters is Bob Fitzsimmons was a better, more versatile fighter than Deyonce as well as a better heavy champ, and certainly more beloved in spite of being English born and raised in New Zealand before immigrating to America.

Rocky being introduced into the 12 round era of extensive weight training and modern nutrition principles could easily fill out at 215 lbs like Deyonce. Now we have a fight in principle, only lacking the reality of results which is where fight fans drunk on fantasy come in. I personally think Rocky crouched style combined with a two fisted body attack could reduce Deyonce before Rocky gets reduced. Rocky miniscule target area, his bobbing noggin, is tiny compared with the Deyonce more stationary body target area, but guess what?

Will never be proven on this earth in our lifetimes, so let it be and get on with the current reality that boxing is no longer relevant to most of the world population compared to soccer and basketball!

Proactive as always my offbeat boxing pal! Those big purses are being underwritten by somebody! See my post regarding the Harris Poll on sports popularity, and see it rightwise.