Wilder versus Marciano who wins?

[Willow The Wisp]

Well if boxing had good judging he lost vs. Fury three times. Yes,Wilder beat Ortiz but he was in the edge of losing before the 39+ year old Ortiz gassed and was taken out. I'm am saying he has beaten body good in their primes! Re-read this twice is you disagree. The And Ruiz fight if we get it and fat Andy Ruiz comes in shape ( say 260 pounds ) is very important to how he will be remembered.

I disagree both Usyk and Joshua are better than Wilder, and more accomplished too. I also think Joyce would knock him out. So would Hrgovic, but Wilder dares not to fight any young man ranked his prime.

He was a WBC belt milker who fought the old, non ring magazine ranked, and not very good by choice. Yeah he lost to Fury several times, His manager deserves five stars for making him the money and he should be grateful for his punch drunk fans shelling out big bucks for his mismatches. In this generation he is not first or second best. Or Third best. And I think he's even lower than that. The renaming fights he has will place him with Ruiz / Joyce / Joshua.

Of course if Fury somehow losses to Chisora an old man who he already beaten twice, his entire resumes will come crashing down.

"Choose the positive. You have choice, you are master of your attitude, choose the positive, the constructive. Optimism is a faith that leads to success. A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer". - Bruce Lee

[QueensburyRules]

See, I don't agree here. The myth that Wilder's fought nobody is a tired argument for me. He fought Fury three times and Ortiz twice, and the best that the WBC could muster up for him. Fury proved himself the better man in a draw, an off night for Wilder and a war in which he was twice felled. Not a bad way to come out on the short end for Wilder. After those 3 losses in fights he was expected to win, the 3rd champ of the era, Anthony Joshua can't be seen as the clean up man after all those Parker, Martin, Breazeale, Takam, Povetkin, Pulev types that he has long been associated with as the support for a claim as the QOO leader, have ALL since suffered multiple defeats, like Joshua himself. But I digress here. Wilder gets things said about him like "gets away with" all the time, when a simple catagorization as "Effectively unorthodox" would suffice. Wilder is the 2nd best of his generation by the slimmest margin possible, and there's a big gap after him. Now, this deep I might as well go off...Guys like Bowe and Holyfield were way better than Wilder's WBC lunches, but Wilder would eat them up too. And Joyce is too slowww. What Surgey Kuzmin did to him, Wilder would too. So there.

- - Completely disagree with near everything, re Deyonce who may be Forum all time for TBA fights behind Home l'l floydy.

An apt comparison is WBC Tubby Lar who ducked all the WBA guys. When Carl Williams completely shut his eye by dint of jabbing the shyte out of Lar, the fight should've been stopped in favor of The Truth and we'd have a very different take on history of that era. When TBA Duhapus took his WBC challenge on 2 weeks notice, he also punched Deyonce eye completely shut. Through the TV we could feeling the sweating suits scrambling in desperation until Deyonce landed a hail mary of the lower case that knocked Duhapus into a corner still upright and cognizant, and instant pull the plug of Duhapus. Lar went to the cards much to his embarrassment when the people booed him.

Parker put AJ and Whyte through their paces and recently engaged in a FOY vs Joyce where at age 30 he suffered his first KO in championship rounds still on his feet fighting. That's a damned fine fight record, better than Deyonce who ducked the AJ fight that led to Home AJ fighting Blogs Parker that should've been for the Ring title but for the corruption of Ring, most recently succumbing to MTK. There never should've been a 3rd Deyonce/Blubber fight for peanuts.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Completely disagree with near everything, re Deyonce who may be Forum all time for TBA fights behind Home l'l floydy.

An apt comparison is WBC Tubby Lar who ducked all the WBA guys. When Carl Williams completely shut his eye by dint of jabbing the shyte out of Lar, the fight should've been stopped in favor of The Truth and we'd have a very different take on history of that era. When TBA Duhapus took his WBC challenge on 2 weeks notice, he also punched Deyonce eye completely shut. Through the TV we could feeling the sweating suits scrambling in desperation until Deyonce landed a hail mary of the lower case that knocked Duhapus into a corner still upright and cognizant, and instant pull the plug of Duhapus. Lar went to the cards much to his embarrassment when the people booed him.

Parker put AJ and Whyte through their paces and recently engaged in a FOY vs Joyce where at age 30 he suffered his first KO in championship rounds still on his feet fighting. That's a damned fine fight record, better than Deyonce who ducked the AJ fight that led to Home AJ fighting Blogs Parker that should've been for the Ring title but for the corruption of Ring, most recently succumbing to MTK. There never should've been a 3rd Deyonce/Blubber fight for peanuts.

Well, after Wilder blows away Joshua conqueror Andy Ruiz inside the distance this spring, I will appoint YOU as the world's advocate, to make contact with Matchroom president Edward Hearn to promugate for their taking a chance on a showdown between his media aided creation and the hardest hitting heavyweight in half a century. That will put you to work!

[QueensburyRules]

Well, after Wilder blows away Joshua conqueror Andy Ruiz inside the distance this spring, I will appoint YOU as the world's advocate, to make contact with Matchroom president Edward Hearn to promugate for their taking a chance on a showdown between his media aided creation and the hardest hitting heavyweight in half a century. That will put you to work!

- - Fat Andy don't do TBAs, and having a better scalp than Deyonce and not yet punch ****** falling down drunk like Deyonce, he gonna play hardball on the split.

Why ain't Deyonce been retired by collective Commishes by dint of that dent in his noggin?

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Fat Andy don't do TBAs, and having a better scalp than Deyonce and not yet punch ****** falling down drunk like Deyonce, he gonna play hardball on the split.

Why ain't Deyonce been retired by collective Commishes by dint of that dent in his noggin?

....Cuz he took the KO/Draw, the off night and the 2 knockdown epic against the best heavyweight of the 21st century and he improved because of those.

What Deontay Wilder did to Helenius he would do to Joshua!!!

Sit back and watch it all unfold. The Heavyweight Heans was a late commer to boxing, and now The Ring magazine number ONE contender has plenty of miles left on the meter.

[JAB5239]

....Cuz he took the KO/Draw, the off night and the 2 knockdown epic against the best heavyweight of the 21st century and he improved because of those.

What Deontay Wilder did to Helenius he would do to Joshua!!!

Sit back and watch it all unfold. The Heavyweight Heans was a late commer to boxing, and now The Ring magazine number ONE contender has plenty of miles left on the meter.

I agree with this 100%. Not because I'm a fan of one and not the other. I respect all fighters. But AJ has been dropped by a lesser puncher not as fast or coming from such awkward angles. If this fight ever gets made ill be betting the house on Wilder.

[QueensburyRules]

....Cuz he took the KO/Draw, the off night and the 2 knockdown epic against the best heavyweight of the 21st century and he improved because of those.

What Deontay Wilder did to Helenius he would do to Joshua!!!

Sit back and watch it all unfold. The Heavyweight Heans was a late commer to boxing, and now The Ring magazine number ONE contender has plenty of miles left on the meter.

- - Sad to hear the best heavywt of the 21st century ducked multi record purses vs AJ.

They don't make the best like they used to such that the worst might be as good as the best today.

[Rosco3387]

I agree with this 100%. Not because I'm a fan of one and not the other. I respect all fighters. But AJ has been dropped by a lesser puncher not as fast or coming from such awkward angles. If this fight ever gets made ill be betting the house on Wilder.

If this fight ever gets made it will look like this:

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[Rosco3387]

- - Sad to hear the best heavywt of the 21st century ducked multi record purses vs AJ.

They don't make the best like they used to such that the worst might be as good as the best today.

Queen B, you seem to be skeptical of promoters and various shenanigans, why do you give Joshua and his Boy Robin, hearns, a pass? Do you really believe that hearns presented these opportunities regarding Wilder, etc and Wilder just ran from them? I ask because everyone can see what a hustler Eddie is, and Joshua? well lie with the dogs get flies right?

[The D3vil]

Wilder has made some ****** statements,I don't think he was first in the queue when brains were handed out,but he appears to be a loving Father and I'm not aware of any thuggish behaviour on his part.

Putting fantasist moron Charlie Z in his place for ridiculing his daughter who apparently has some special needs issues was a great job,imo.

I give him credit for one thing, he has plenty of guts.

He and AJ would be an interesting match up.

I'm not American but I think this I'm Black and therefore I'm oppressed is wearing rather thin now.
Was it Denzil Washington who called it," an excuse to fail?"

You've had a Black President, a Black Vice President and several Blacks in top government positions,as now have we in the UK.

As for boxing we've had Don King and Butch Lewis prominent in the game.

I believe there are currently 21 Black Police Chiefs in the US.
57 Black representatives in Congress,and several Black Senators.

There has been a Black National Security Advisor ,Chairman of the Chief Of Staff ,and Commander of the US Army Forces.

The richest entertainer is Ophra Winfrey the richest Sports woman Serena Willliams,the richest boxer Floyd Mayweather Jnr.All Black.

As far as I can see that, "ceiling," was smashed years ago.

No offence meant to you,that's just how I see it.

What the hell are you talking about?

Like 90% of that rant was just nonsense that had nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

A Black president or Oprah doesn't stop Black men from being UNFAIRLY labeled thugs the minute we raise our voice, hence Deontay being labeled a "thug" in spite by all accounts being a good family man, who you don't hear about robbing, shooting, or stealing from anybody.