Wilder versus Marciano who wins?

[Rosco3387]

Liston wanted to be accepted as the people's champion and was hurt when the press refused to look past his past -- today we are in a period of extreme individualism and the popular image is to be seen as someone who rubs against the grain.

From our former president to our top athletes arrogance not humbleness is the order of the day.

Being a gentlemen today gets you labeled as weak; being rude makes you an Internet star.

We won't see the quiet confidence of a Dempsey or Marciano until this generation passes on; the order of the day is to be loud, vulgar, and insulting.

Wilder is not a "thug" he is just another product of a boorish society. Listen to him speak, you wouldn't want to have a beer with him.

But then again can one even think of an American politician or celebrity who isn't rude and self absorbed.

What I wouldn't give up just to hear one more great, eloquent presidential speech before I leave the planet. A Kennedy, a Lincoln, even a Clinton. I doubt I will. Our leaders, our heros are all arrogant and vulgar. And for some sad reason, in an angry world, this makes them popular.

The posters on this forum are a microcosm of this sad national social temperament.

What I would give to hear just one man not talking with a lilt to his voice... Or a real Brooklyn guy with a real Brooklyn accent. But alas Pep, I hate to say it but you set the bar high on this one.

[Dr. Z]

Wilder fights in a contemporary style that takes advantage of a lack of pressure fighters. So while it is not a traditional use of reach... If Fury, or Wilder are across a standard boxing ring from you, they can touch you with a mere two steps or so. This means they can choose when to attack. Also, Setting up off the jab is learnable. Wilder has gotten better working off his jab. Those are Wilder's aces.

Marciano would never let an opponent set up and choose when to attack. Wilder would deal with a pressure he had never encountered... The best modern example today would be Pit Bull Cruz... A very underated 135 pounder. With nowhere to go Wilder would have to find a space to punch down into Marciano. This also gives Marciano the body.

In certain scenarios Wilder is off balance and still cracks Marciano like he did Ortiz. In other scenarios Marciano overwhelms an exhausted Wilder and drops him.

I give Wilder credit for fighting at a proper weight. I think this will help his gas tank and his expiration date, not to mention his punch & footspeed. Would like to see him against Chisora actually. I don't trust Joyce yet, but Derrick would pressure Wilder possibly enough to make him uncomfortable... actually? I take that back, Joyce would also be a good opponent because of the pressure he brings...either one!

I think Joyce would knock Wilder out. Wilders lack of fighting good ranked heavyweights in the prime helps him and aside from Fury are not pressure fighters. That is why he gets away with using the style he does.

[Ivich]

- - It's your choice to live a sheltered life of toof faeries with rainbow candies falling out of the sky wif Purple Barney as your best buddy.

You'd be a sight more convincing if you offered some proof of your multiple assertions about things.

Maybe you have some info maybe you don't,but if you do,this is surely the place to share it!

That's part of what a Forum is for.
l looked for anything negative about Wilder, all I came up with was he was arraigned for domestic abuse,this year I believe.I don't know the outcome of that.

[QueensburyRules]

Whatever you say Drunky. But it's appearent no one agrees with you on this, and we all know you have nothing to support it. Good talk though!!

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[JAB5239]

- - Can't help U dolt collective wif dead links. Not unusual that I know more than U dolt brigade. The way it was, is, and always shall be.

Lmao!!!! So once again, you have proven nothing except you make things up to suit your own agenda.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder fights in a contemporary style that takes advantage of a lack of pressure fighters. So while it is not a traditional use of reach... If Fury, or Wilder are across a standard boxing ring from you, they can touch you with a mere two steps or so. This means they can choose when to attack. Also, Setting up off the jab is learnable. Wilder has gotten better working off his jab. Those are Wilder's aces.

Marciano would never let an opponent set up and choose when to attack. Wilder would deal with a pressure he had never encountered... The best modern example today would be Pit Bull Cruz... A very underated 135 pounder. With nowhere to go Wilder would have to find a space to punch down into Marciano. This also gives Marciano the body.

In certain scenarios Wilder is off balance and still cracks Marciano like he did Ortiz. In other scenarios Marciano overwhelms an exhausted Wilder and drops him.

I give Wilder credit for fighting at a proper weight. I think this will help his gas tank and his expiration date, not to mention his punch & footspeed. Would like to see him against Chisora actually. I don't trust Joyce yet, but Derrick would pressure Wilder possibly enough to make him uncomfortable... actually? I take that back, Joyce would also be a good opponent because of the pressure he brings...either one!

I agree fully......good observations Rosco3387.

[Willow The Wisp]

I think Joyce would knock Wilder out. Wilders lack of fighting good ranked heavyweights in the prime helps him and aside from Fury are not pressure fighters. That is why he gets away with using the style he does.

See, I don't agree here. The myth that Wilder's fought nobody is a tired argument for me. He fought Fury three times and Ortiz twice, and the best that the WBC could muster up for him. Fury proved himself the better man in a draw, an off night for Wilder and a war in which he was twice felled. Not a bad way to come out on the short end for Wilder. After those 3 losses in fights he was expected to win, the 3rd champ of the era, Anthony Joshua can't be seen as the clean up man after all those Parker, Martin, Breazeale, Takam, Povetkin, Pulev types that he has long been associated with as the support for a claim as the QOO leader, have ALL since suffered multiple defeats, like Joshua himself. But I digress here. Wilder gets things said about him like "gets away with" all the time, when a simple catagorization as "Effectively unorthodox" would suffice. Wilder is the 2nd best of his generation by the slimmest margin possible, and there's a big gap after him. Now, this deep I might as well go off...Guys like Bowe and Holyfield were way better than Wilder's WBC lunches, but Wilder would eat them up too. And Joyce is too slowww. What Surgey Kuzmin did to him, Wilder would too. So there.

[Rosco3387]

See, I don't agree here. The myth that Wilder's fought nobody is a tired argument for me. He fought Fury three times and Ortiz twice, and the best that the WBC could muster up for him. Fury proved himself the better man in a draw, an off night for Wilder and a war in which he was twice felled. Not a bad way to come out on the short end for Wilder. After those 3 losses in fights he was expected to win, the 3rd champ of the era, Anthony Joshua can't be seen as the clean up man after all those Parker, Martin, Breazeale, Takam, Povetkin, Pulev types that he has long been associated with as the support for a claim as the QOO leader, have ALL since suffered multiple defeats, like Joshua himself. But I digress here. Wilder gets things said about him like "gets away with" all the time, when a simple catagorization as "Effectively unorthodox" would suffice. Wilder is the 2nd best of his generation by the slimmest margin possible, and there's a big gap after him. Now, this deep I might as well go off...Guys like Bowe and Holyfield were way better than Wilder's WBC lunches, but Wilder would eat them up too. And Joyce is too slowww. What Surgey Kuzmin did to him, Wilder would too. So there.

Ortiz is a typical cuban fighter: Perpetually underated, called "old" and on everyone's shytelist. Meanwhile the guy kept winning and when he lost he did so in hard fights... some even think he beat Ruiz last go round. Sanchez seems to be an exception regarding "a good cuban" and it kind of drives me nuts because tape of odlaniere Solis indicates how immeasurably talented he was compared to Sanchez... Yet all anyone could say about Solis was: (please refer to description of typical Cuban lol), of course Solis was also called fat.

[Dr. Z]

See, I don't agree here. The myth that Wilder's fought nobody is a tired argument for me. He fought Fury three times and Ortiz twice, and the best that the WBC could muster up for him. Fury proved himself the better man in a draw, an off night for Wilder and a war in which he was twice felled. Not a bad way to come out on the short end for Wilder. After those 3 losses in fights he was expected to win, the 3rd champ of the era, Anthony Joshua can't be seen as the clean up man after all those Parker, Martin, Breazeale, Takam, Povetkin, Pulev types that he has long been associated with as the support for a claim as the QOO leader, have ALL since suffered multiple defeats, like Joshua himself. But I digress here. Wilder gets things said about him like "gets away with" all the time, when a simple catagorization as "Effectively unorthodox" would suffice. Wilder is the 2nd best of his generation by the slimmest margin possible, and there's a big gap after him. Now, this deep I might as well go off...Guys like Bowe and Holyfield were way better than Wilder's WBC lunches, but Wilder would eat them up too. And Joyce is too slowww. What Surgey Kuzmin did to him, Wilder would too. So there.

Well if boxing had good judging he lost vs. Fury three times. Yes,Wilder beat Ortiz but he was in the edge of losing before the 39+ year old Ortiz gassed and was taken out. I'm am saying he has beaten body good in their primes! Re-read this twice is you disagree. The And Ruiz fight if we get it and fat Andy Ruiz comes in shape ( say 260 pounds ) is very important to how he will be remembered.

I disagree both Usyk and Joshua are better than Wilder, and more accomplished too. I also think Joyce would knock him out. So would Hrgovic, but Wilder dares not to fight any young man ranked his prime.

He was a WBC belt milker who fought the old, non ring magazine ranked, and not very good by choice. Yeah he lost to Fury several times, His manager deserves five stars for making him the money and he should be grateful for his punch drunk fans shelling out big bucks for his mismatches. In this generation he is not first or second best. Or Third best. And I think he's even lower than that. The renaming fights he has will place him with Ruiz / Joyce / Joshua.

Of course if Fury somehow losses to Chisora an old man who he already beaten twice, his entire resumes will come crashing down.

[Dr. Z]

Ortiz is a typical cuban fighter: Perpetually underated, called "old" and on everyone's shytelist. Meanwhile the guy kept winning and when he lost he did so in hard fights... some even think he beat Ruiz last go round. Sanchez seems to be an exception regarding "a good cuban" and it kind of drives me nuts because tape of odlaniere Solis indicates how immeasurably talented he was compared to Sanchez... Yet all anyone could say about Solis was: (please refer to description of typical Cuban lol), of course Solis was also called fat.

Soils was excellent battle proven Olympic and World Amateur Champion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odlanier_Sol%C3%ADs

As a pro I find him better than Sanchez.