Wilder versus Marciano who wins?

[JAB5239]

- - The specifics are the history of his career widely publicized in boxing media, but...

...only if 1-U follow boxing, or 2-U don't have the capacity to remember what U read and have to rely on links found on alternative forums that usually don't have any more capacity than U.

What is it, you have no specifics or you just don't want to say because calling him a "thug" is out of line and will make you look like a bigger ass than you already are?

SPECIFICS.....do you have them??? I've read everything you have and probably more. Nothing suggests he's a thug.

[Rosco3387]

Wilder has made some ****** statements,I don't think he was first in the queue when brains were handed out,but he appears to be a loving Father and I'm not aware of any thuggish behaviour on his part.

Putting fantasist moron Charlie Z in his place for ridiculing his daughter who apparently has some special needs issues was a great job,imo.

I give him credit for one thing, he has plenty of guts.

He and AJ would be an interesting match up.

I'm not American but I think this I'm Black and therefore I'm oppressed is wearing rather thin now.
Was it Denzil Washington who called it," an excuse to fail?"

You've had a Black President, a Black Vice President and several Blacks in top government positions,as now have we in the UK.

As for boxing we've had Don King and Butch Lewis prominent in the game.

I believe there are currently 21 Black Police Chiefs in the US.
57 Black representatives in Congress,and several Black Senators.

There has been a Black National Security Advisor ,Chairman of the Chief Of Staff ,and Commander of the US Army Forces.

The richest entertainer is Ophra Winfrey the richest Sports woman Serena Willliams,the richest boxer Floyd Mayweather Jnr.All Black.

As far as I can see that, "ceiling," was smashed years ago.

No offence meant to you,that's just how I see it.

(the bolded) I think this way as well lol.

[JAB5239]

Does this sound like a thug? Wilder is a class guy in my opinion. Stays out of trouble and takes care of his family.

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/407224/deontay-wilder-wife-eight-children-fury/

[Dr. Z]

Well... Not backing either guy frankly. But I do think that Wilder's reach advantage is offset by the fact that Marciano is used to fighting perpetually under those conditions.

Maybe I was misunderstood... My ulterior motive here is not to say Marciano would win, or lose, but to point out/deconstruct certain misperceptions by presenting this match up. I do think that Wilder has incredible power and a chance to win... I also do not think he could fight in the manner he is accustomed if it was not for a lack of decent pressure being applied, otherwise: why do we not see fighters fighting by staying far away and choosing when to engage in days gone by?

if you watch a fighter like Liston for example, even his most average opponents will TRY to pressure him at times... Wilder and Haye use the threat of a big punch to stay away ad choose when to engage, this particular approach would not work well for Wilder...Not saying he could not adjust.

Wilder does not control his opponent despite his reach as he doesn't have much of a jab. He doesn't set punches up well either. If he had that type of jab and set his punches up better he would be a very dangerous fighter, but he doesn't have it, nor can he set up his offense in that way. He is a semi skilled right handed bomber with a questionable chin and has a smaller gas tank then you think. Rocky can win by landing his stuff, or forcing late round stamina into play.

[Rosco3387]

Wilder does not control his opponent despite his reach as he doesn't have much of a jab. He doesn't set punches up well either. If he had that type of jab and set his punches up better he would be a very dangerous fighter, but he doesn't have it, nor can he set up his offense in that way. He is a semi skilled right handed bomber with a questionable chin and has a smaller gas tank then you think. Rocky can win by landing his stuff, or forcing late round stamina into play.

Wilder fights in a contemporary style that takes advantage of a lack of pressure fighters. So while it is not a traditional use of reach... If Fury, or Wilder are across a standard boxing ring from you, they can touch you with a mere two steps or so. This means they can choose when to attack. Also, Setting up off the jab is learnable. Wilder has gotten better working off his jab. Those are Wilder's aces.

Marciano would never let an opponent set up and choose when to attack. Wilder would deal with a pressure he had never encountered... The best modern example today would be Pit Bull Cruz... A very underated 135 pounder. With nowhere to go Wilder would have to find a space to punch down into Marciano. This also gives Marciano the body.

In certain scenarios Wilder is off balance and still cracks Marciano like he did Ortiz. In other scenarios Marciano overwhelms an exhausted Wilder and drops him.

I give Wilder credit for fighting at a proper weight. I think this will help his gas tank and his expiration date, not to mention his punch & footspeed. Would like to see him against Chisora actually. I don't trust Joyce yet, but Derrick would pressure Wilder possibly enough to make him uncomfortable... actually? I take that back, Joyce would also be a good opponent because of the pressure he brings...either one!

[Rosco3387]

Does this sound like a thug? Wilder is a class guy in my opinion. Stays out of trouble and takes care of his family.

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/407224...children-fury/

Jab,
They did the same thing with Liston, because they were scared of him. When a strong male confronted Liston, and not to antagonize him, but to set him straight... Liston listened. We are taking White Catholic Priests, among others. Liston grew up in a nightmare but was gentle with kids and wanted to be accepted. He was self aware about his father and his wife seemed to love him dearly, much as Wilder's family love him. Wilder showed tremendous self control when dealing with Charlie Z.

It is pitiful when males, unable to deal with other strong, aggressive, capable males... react out of fear. They did it to Sonny, and they do it to Wilder.

[JAB5239]

Jab,
They did the same thing with Liston, because they were scared of him. When a strong male confronted Liston, and not to antagonize him, but to set him straight... Liston listened. We are taking White Catholic Priests, among others. Liston grew up in a nightmare but was gentle with kids and wanted to be accepted. He was self aware about his father and his wife seemed to love him dearly, much as Wilder's family love him. Wilder showed tremendous self control when dealing with Charlie Z.

It is pitiful when males, unable to deal with other strong, aggressive, capable males... react out of fear. They did it to Sonny, and they do it to Wilder.

Liston was a leg breaker and an armed robber. That is more the definition of a thug than anything Wilder has done. But I do get what you're saying and agree. He was certainly gentle with kids and the reputation he brought on himself was bou d to follow him no matter any of his future actions. Society wasn't very forgiving for a man of color during that time, that's for sure.

[QueensburyRules]

What is it, you have no specifics or you just don't want to say because calling him a "thug" is out of line and will make you look like a bigger ass than you already are?

SPECIFICS.....do you have them??? I've read everything you have and probably more. Nothing suggests he's a thug.

- - It's your choice to live a sheltered life of toof faeries with rainbow candies falling out of the sky wif Purple Barney as your best buddy.

[Willie Pep 229]

Jab,
They did the same thing with Liston, because they were scared of him. When a strong male confronted Liston, and not to antagonize him, but to set him straight... Liston listened. We are taking White Catholic Priests, among others. Liston grew up in a nightmare but was gentle with kids and wanted to be accepted. He was self aware about his father and his wife seemed to love him dearly, much as Wilder's family love him. Wilder showed tremendous self control when dealing with Charlie Z.

It is pitiful when males, unable to deal with other strong, aggressive, capable males... react out of fear. They did it to Sonny, and they do it to Wilder.

Liston wanted to be accepted as the people's champion and was hurt when the press refused to look past his past -- today we are in a period of extreme individualism and the popular image is to be seen as someone who rubs against the grain.

From our former president to our top athletes arrogance not humbleness is the order of the day.

Being a gentlemen today gets you labeled as weak; being rude makes you an Internet star.

We won't see the quiet confidence of a Dempsey or Marciano until this generation passes on; the order of the day is to be loud, vulgar, and insulting.

Wilder is not a "thug" he is just another product of a boorish society. Listen to him speak, you wouldn't want to have a beer with him.

But then again can one even think of an American politician or celebrity who isn't rude and self absorbed.

What I wouldn't give up just to hear one more great, eloquent presidential speech before I leave the planet. A Kennedy, a Lincoln, even a Clinton. I doubt I will. Our leaders, our heros are all arrogant and vulgar. And for some sad reason, in an angry world, this makes them popular.

The posters on this forum are a microcosm of this sad national social temperament.

[JAB5239]

- - It's your choice to live a sheltered life of toof faeries with rainbow candies falling out of the sky wif Purple Barney as your best buddy.

Whatever you say Drunky. But it's appearent no one agrees with you on this, and we all know you have nothing to support it. Good talk though!!