Tunney Versus jack Johnson who wins and why

[Dr. Z]

Why dont you spend some of your energy learning to read and write properly? It's quite sicking trying to decipher your posts!lol

Round 3
The Morning Herald. this was the only round in which Burns made any kid of showing and regarded without prejudice it cannot be denied that even in this round, the third round ,Johnson was ahead on points.

The Referee.There were several solid punches in this round,and the brave white skinned fighter received much more than a fair share of them.
The Bulletin .Johnson defended his stomach and avoided uppercuts with the greatest ease. A more onesided struggle it would be impossible to,imagine . Burns was plucky as a lion,but Johnson was as strong as a locomotive.
The only bright feature was how heroically Burns took his smashing and came in again and again.
Tom's face was in a very bad way.His mouth was bleeding,his cheek beginning to swell,his eyes growing puffy.
he made no impression on Johnson who occasionally stood still ,with his hands down,talking and jeering at Burns.
Now you produce three ringside reports that refute these three okay?

No no, I told you where to find this one, and I was right ( again ) and you were wrong. Now there are other reports out the, moron. Read them. Burns didn't win a single round, right? Read more from the book. You will note that Burns looked yellow and sick to those at ringside.

[Dr. Z]

Not excuses but factors that must be taken into account.
Choynski fought Johnson in1901 Choynski had 69 fights Johnson11.
Choynski was probably just past his best, Johnson was certainly nowhere near prime Pollack states Johnson weighed in the the region of 168lbs for this fight.
Choynksi was a remarkable puncher.especially for his size, a trap setter like Fitz , he caught Johnson and stopped him, its that simple.
Johnson was stopped by Klon***e in1899.
George Siler, the great referee is credited with discovering Johnson, he was at the fight and said Johnson had been existing on the food at free lunch counters and hadn/ a thimbleful of victuals in him when he faced Klon***e.
Johnson did well early, dropping Klon***e but ,weakening under his body attack was finally overwhelmed.Klon***e was a leading black fighter no disgrace in losing to him.
Johnson drew with him a year later and stopped him in their last fight that year.

1901 Griffin 30 fights beat Johnson14 fights over 20 rds.Griffin deserved the dec by all accounts
Later that year they drew.
A year later they drew again.

1905 The Hart fight is so controversial I don't use it as any kind of yardstick George Siler called it," an exceedingly strange decision."

1915 Willard.Johnson was in front at the time of the ko ,Jack Welch stated if he was called upon to render a decision after 20 rounds he would have unhesitatingly have awarded it to Johnson.
Johnson was37 years old ,overweight and past his best, years of dissipation had robbed him of his stamina,and the circumstances of the fight the venue and the distance, 45rds were all geared to give the white man the advantage.
No way was Johnson going to be able to win a decision at the end of 45rdsand koing the giant cowboy was always a hard task.
These are not excuses they are just cold facts. From1905 until1915 Johnson never lost ,that's a ten year run during which period he was hounded and in exile on the run from the US authorities.
We might compare that with the fighters today ,and the reasons they trot out for losing?

False! Johnson had way more than 14 fights! He has been fights since 1894! Tell the board more lies, Mcvey, Tonto62, or do you call yourself Ivich now? Lots of excuses for Johnson!


1894
John Lee Galveston, Tx W 16 -Some sources report "KO 15"
Undated (circa 1894-95)
Dave Pierson Galveston, Tx W 1895
Apr 11 "Utah" Bob Thompson Galveston, Tx L 4
-Some sources report 1899
1896
Cherokee Kansas City, Ks KO
Howard Pollar Galveston, Tx W

1897
Jim Rocks Galveston, Tx KO 4
Sam Smith Galveston, Tx W 10

1898
Reddy Bremer Galveston, Tx KO 3
Jim Cole Galveston, Tx W 4
Henry Smith Galveston, Tx D 15

1899
Feb 11 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx D 7
Mar 17 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx WF 7
May 6 Klon***e (John Haines) Chicago, Il LT 5 -Reports vary - 5/05/99 - 5/08/99; Some sources report "LT 6"
Dec 16 Pat Smith Galveston, Tx D 12

1900
Mar 7 John Lee Galveston, Tx W 15
Mar 20 Willie McNeal Galveston, Tx KO 15
Apr 6 Bob White Galveston, Tx W 15
Apr 12 Charley Brooks Galveston, Tx KO 2
May 1 Jim Scanlan Galveston, Tx KO 7
May 6 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx KO 2
May 28 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx KO 7
Jun 12 Horace Miles Galveston, Tx KO 3
Jun 25 Klon***e (John Haines) Galveston, Tx D 20
-Some sources report 6/28/00 Oct George Lawler Galveston, Tx KO 10
Nov Josh Mills Memphis, Tn W 12
Dec 27 Klon***e (John Haines) Memphis, Tn TK 14
-Some sources report 12/28/00
1901
Feb 25 Joe Choynski Galveston, Tx LK 3
-Both fighters were arrested after the fight

[Ivich]

No no, I told you where to find this one, and I was right ( again ) and you were wrong. Now there are other reports out the, moron. Read them. Burns didn't win a single round, right? Read more from the book. You will note that Burns looked yellow and sick to those at ringside.

Oh I know where to find them, and I know who wrote it and I gave the book a really stinking review as did two others The author Dan McAfferty stated Burns defended his title against a Native American and a South African *** both statements are false,The author also stated Burns hurt Johnson so badly to the body he had to go to hospital after the fight! In fact Johnson went for a swim and that's documented! The author is like Burns a Canadian he is also a hack and not a boxing manand has never written another line on boxing. Burns was not yellow neither was he sick,you used to say he had jaundice but after being humiliated many times on that, you've now moderated your tone! LOL
When McAffertys book came out I suggested that anyone wishing to find out about Burns ,give this comic a miss and buy Pollacks exhaustively researched book which had tons of primary sources in it and direct contemporary quits McAffertys comic has neither! Now I've posted three ringside reports written by men who were there, that state Burns did not win a round and given the round 3 blow by blow analysis
What is supposed to happen now is you post 3 primary sourced reports that refute my post.
But of course you won't! Because there are NONE!
Keep the hysterical hate coming Mendoza, with every desperate new ploy you attempt you damn yourself further!
AND THAT'S JUST GREAT!

[Dr. Z]

Oh I know where to find them, and I know who wrote it and I gave the book a really stinking review as did two others The author stated Burns defended his title against a Native American and a South African *** both statements are false,The author also stated Burns hurt Johnson so badly to the body he had to go to hospital after the fight! In fact Johnson went for a swim and that documented! The author is like Burns a Canadian he is also a hack and not a boxing man. Burns was not yellowe neither was he sick,you used to say he had jaundice but after being humiliated many times on that you;ve now moderated your tone!LOL

Still lying Tony? Attacking sources that don't have your agenda, how typical. How many rounds did Burns win again? Try reading the reporter known as the amateur on Burns vs Johnson. Yes, Burns has reports of a Jaundice. The book says so and so do experts such as Kevin Smith. Why do you lie so often? I listed Johnson's known fights for you. Count them up and take note Johnson lost an early one to a man who weighed between 135 and 145 pounds! Needless to say he had far more experience the 14 fights and was fighting since 1894!

Do the Masons know you lie so much?

[QueensburyRules]

Doesn't that make his take more plausible? Why would he raise the bar and make a "negro" look better?

- - Because London was the progressive ******* of his day well documented...duh...

[QueensburyRules]

So it was t stopped becuse it was a one sided Massacre? Like I said, you're an idiot. Why would the cops stop the fight because of yelling from under the ring if it was competitive? Geez, you get ******er and ******er by the day.

- - Y U no asks cops...stooopid???...

[JAB5239]

- - Because London was the progressive ******* of his day well documented...duh...

This is the best you could come back with?

[JAB5239]

- - Y U no asks cops...stooopid???...

Tha cops stopped it because it was bordering on criminal the beating Johnson was giving him. They probably saved his life. I've heard Bur s was so grateful he sent this officers Christmas cards every year for the rest of his life.

[QueensburyRules]

Tha cops stopped it because it was bordering on criminal the beating Johnson was giving him. They probably saved his life. I've heard Bur s was so grateful he sent this officers Christmas cards every year for the rest of his life.

- - Not what the video shows. Guess you never saw the proper fight, instead viewing rounds out of order and cut short.

Here the update via Wiki, and shhhhhhh, JJ did not throw the Willard fight. That was for soft lads like you to scarf up.

• The fight was stopped by the police. Burns always claimed he could have continued had the police not intervened. Lightweight boxer Rudy Unholz later admitted to promoter Otto Floto that he and a pal had crawled under the ring prior to the fourteenth round and shouted for the police to stop the fight. Unholz worked Johnson's corner and had bet a large sum of money on Jack winning.

[JAB5239]

- - Not what the video shows. Guess you never saw the proper fight, instead viewing rounds out of order and cut short.

Here the update via Wiki, and shhhhhhh, JJ did not throw the Willard fight. That was for soft lads like you to scarf up.

• The fight was stopped by the police. Burns always claimed he could have continued had the police not intervened. Lightweight boxer Rudy Unholz later admitted to promoter Otto Floto that he and a pal had crawled under the ring prior to the fourteenth round and shouted for the police to stop the fight. Unholz worked Johnson's corner and had bet a large sum of money on Jack winning.

I'm just curious, but were Unholz claims ever substantiated, or were they just that, claims? And you do know anyone can edit wiki, right?

And the video shows Johnson pushing and beating him all about the ring. The commentary supports this and more. Poor little Tommy. Poor little Queenie.