What is the Historical Implications associated with Usyk Versus Joshua II ?

[The Old LefHook]

Meh, I think he's fun. He's a gifted troll, and knows more than he chooses to share in his posts, I'd wager. The nomenclature is sometimes a bit too cryptic to wade through. But not always.

I guess you've made him into your new Yoka. Good lick, I mean luck.

[JAB5239]

- - No, that's what U just said, not moi.

I know it must be painful to find out U can't carry AJ/Usyk jockstraps back for Vander.

It's U as the addled lad unable to follow fighter timelines, ie resumes, not moi. I doubt any heavy will be able to replicate Vander 10-7-2, 4 KO title record.

So why keep pointing at his record? I can follow the timeline just fine. Seems you're the one having a difficult time.

[Willie Pep 229]

No fighter still active should be considered an ATG.

For the same reasons they don't induct active fighters into the HOF.

There will be plenty of time to honor them for their achievements. For now there are other lists they can be included on, e.g. P4P

When we call someone great it is determined by achievement and his impact on the game, not by his skill set.

Many fighters who have mastered the art, are not in the HOF, and are not on any ATG list.

Too many people on this forum fancy themselves an Angelo Dundree or Ray Arcel and believe they can denote greatness in technique.

(One guy believes himself an expert on 'angles.')

They claim this guy could beat that guy because they can spot the superior skill.

(I mean, I do it too on occasion, to have fun, but I don't actually believe me.)

What I always wonder is why haven't these 'experts' gotten rich off the bookies?

[arumhaymonhearn]

- - Instant Incineration is what U crave.

Usyk has already vastly exceeded Vander 26-10-2 heavy record as has AJ the Flubber of Fury for starters.

It's like U was born yesterday today.

explain how Usyk beating Chisora and AJ makes him "vastly exceeding" Holyfields HW record?

[Roberto Vasquez]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

Don't agree with any of this really. Joshua has already proved himself as top-3 in this era no matter what but he's 5 years behind Fury and Wilder in his career. so it's too early to rate him on an all-time list . Think of Lewis's losses to Rahman and McCall and how he struggled with Bruno. Is that any different to AJ atm? I would say now AJ is around 25 at best but he has potential to go higher. The thing about AJ is he is fighting Usyk and he wants to fight Fury and Wilder. But Fury and Wilder don't want to fight him or Usyk so that says AJ at least has the mentality of a great fighter

As for Fury - I guess he deserves a top-16 - but you can't compare him to Wlad who defended his titles all those times. Wlad had 69 wins and 5 losses. That's a champion's record. Fury is 31-0. That's the record of a guy who avoids people. If Fury wants to be seriously considered as an all-time great he needs to fight Usyk and AJ. He could even lose one of those and still be a great. But the guy just doesn't seem to want to fight people...

[QueensburyRules]

explain how Usyk beating Chisora and AJ makes him "vastly exceeding" Holyfields HW record?

- - I'll start with Usyk was the heavyweight Olympic Gold Medalist when Vander was the LH Bronze Medalist.

Boxrec fills in the rest. I suggest U use it for U much needed tutorage.

[JAB5239]

- - I'll start with Usyk was the heavyweight Olympic Gold Medalist when Vander was the LH Bronze Medalist.

Boxrec fills in the rest. I suggest U use it for U much needed tutorage.

Holy was robbed by an inexcusable disqualification by a referee from the same country as the eventual gold medal winner, who didn't even have to fight the final fight. Anyone who watched the 84' Olympics knows Evander was cutting thru the competition like a steak knife thru soft butter. So for starters, that is a meaningless comparison. We do do resumes though.......who has fought the better fighters at heavyweight?

[QueensburyRules]

Holy was robbed by an inexcusable disqualification by a referee from the same country as the eventual gold medal winner, who didn't even have to fight the final fight. Anyone who watched the 84' Olympics knows Evander was cutting thru the competition like a steak knife thru soft butter. So for starters, that is a meaningless comparison. We do do resumes though.......who has fought the better fighters at heavyweight?

- - Usyk was never in the little boy division and has fought more ranked heavies and won every title in the champs' backyard as he unified the division. Vander never unified through he talked a good game in his deluded final years.

Cry thee softly into the night...

[JAB5239]

- - Usyk was never in the little boy division and has fought more ranked heavies and won every title in the champs' backyard as he unified the division. Vander never unified through he talked a good game in his deluded final years.

Cry thee softly into the night...

Someone called you a skilled troll the other day. I don't see it. All I see is you saying the same ****** things over and over. If fact I'd rate your trolling right along side moneytheman.

[Willow The Wisp]

Someone called you a skilled troll the other day. I don't see it. All I see is you saying the same ****** things over and over. If fact I'd rate your trolling right along side moneytheman.

That was me. And we can see that he's got you runnin' LOL. shouldn't it be enough to know you're right? Isn't it a classic red herring to think you're going to change his mind with evidence and conversation? Snap out of it!!!!