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What is the Historical Implications associated with Usyk Versus Joshua II ?
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - No, that's what U just said, not moi.
I know it must be painful to find out U can't carry AJ/Usyk jockstraps back for Vander.
It's U as the addled lad unable to follow fighter timelines, ie resumes, not moi. I doubt any heavy will be able to replicate Vander 10-7-2, 4 KO title record.
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No fighter still active should be considered an ATG.
For the same reasons they don't induct active fighters into the HOF.
There will be plenty of time to honor them for their achievements. For now there are other lists they can be included on, e.g. P4P
When we call someone great it is determined by achievement and his impact on the game, not by his skill set.
Many fighters who have mastered the art, are not in the HOF, and are not on any ATG list.
Too many people on this forum fancy themselves an Angelo Dundree or Ray Arcel and believe they can denote greatness in technique.
(One guy believes himself an expert on 'angles.')
They claim this guy could beat that guy because they can spot the superior skill.
(I mean, I do it too on occasion, to have fun, but I don't actually believe me.)
What I always wonder is why haven't these 'experts' gotten rich off the bookies?Willow The Wisp likes this.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - Instant Incineration is what U crave.
Usyk has already vastly exceeded Vander 26-10-2 heavy record as has AJ the Flubber of Fury for starters.
It's like U was born yesterday today.billeau2 likes this.
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Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View PostWhat is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.
If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:- Muhammad Ali
- George Foreman
- Sonny Liston
- Lennox Lewis
- Larry Holmes
- Tyson Fury
- Mike Tyson
- Wladamir Klitschko
- Anthony Joshua
- Joe Frazier
- Deontay Wilder
- Evander Holyfield
- Vitali Klitschko
- Cleveland Williams
- Ken Norton
- Zora Folley
- Rid**** Bowe
- Jerry Quarry
- Floyd Patterson
- Ron Lyle
If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:- Muhammad Ali
- George Foreman
- Sonny Liston
- Lennox Lewis
- Larry Holmes
- Tyson Fury
- Mike Tyson
- Wladamir Klitschko
- Joe Frazier
- Deontay Wilder
- Evander Holyfield
- Oleksandr Usyk
- Vitali Klitschko
- Cleveland Williams
- Ken Norton
- Zora Folley
- Anthony Joshua
- Rid**** Bowe
- Jerry Quarry
- Floyd Patterson
No foolin'
Flame away.
As for Fury - I guess he deserves a top-16 - but you can't compare him to Wlad who defended his titles all those times. Wlad had 69 wins and 5 losses. That's a champion's record. Fury is 31-0. That's the record of a guy who avoids people. If Fury wants to be seriously considered as an all-time great he needs to fight Usyk and AJ. He could even lose one of those and still be a great. But the guy just doesn't seem to want to fight people...Last edited by Roberto Vasquez; 06-25-2022, 11:20 AM.billeau2 likes this.
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Originally posted by arumhaymonhearn View Post
explain how Usyk beating Chisora and AJ makes him "vastly exceeding" Holyfields HW record?
Boxrec fills in the rest. I suggest U use it for U much needed tutorage.
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - I'll start with Usyk was the heavyweight Olympic Gold Medalist when Vander was the LH Bronze Medalist.
Boxrec fills in the rest. I suggest U use it for U much needed tutorage.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
Holy was robbed by an inexcusable disqualification by a referee from the same country as the eventual gold medal winner, who didn't even have to fight the final fight. Anyone who watched the 84' Olympics knows Evander was cutting thru the competition like a steak knife thru soft butter. So for starters, that is a meaningless comparison. We do do resumes though.......who has fought the better fighters at heavyweight?
Cry thee softly into the night...
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Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - Usyk was never in the little boy division and has fought more ranked heavies and won every title in the champs' backyard as he unified the division. Vander never unified through he talked a good game in his deluded final years.
Cry thee softly into the night...
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
Someone called you a skilled troll the other day. I don't see it. All I see is you saying the same ****** things over and over. If fact I'd rate your trolling right along side moneytheman.Willie Pep 229 likes this.
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