What is the Historical Implications associated with Usyk Versus Joshua II ?

[Willow The Wisp]

Hard to tell before careers are over, but Tyson Fury H2H, beats any HW ever in a best of 3 scenario. The GOAT. Nash out. ATG boxing expert.

Tall, slick...Ive heard stranger things.

[Nash out]

I'm struggling with how high you are ranking both Joshua and Usyk, and Wilder while we're at it.

It''s just opinion though. I mean, he has alI Ali at 1, could Wilder knock Ali out an a given day? Of course he could. If Norton was awarded all 3 wins over Ali, as I thought he should have been, would anybody have Ali at 1? Not for me? Then different times. What happens Frazier vs Joshua? Hard to tell unless they are both in the ring together. I think there is a tendency to assume older fighters matchup very well with newer ones, but it's based on nostalgia above all else. Nash out.

[The Old LefHook]

I'm struggling with how high you are ranking both Joshua and Usyk, and Wilder while we're at it.

Yeah. I complimented his list, but I do not compliment those two parts of it.

[Rockybigblower]

It''s just opinion though. I mean, he has alI Ali at 1, could Wilder knock Ali out an a given day? Of course he could. If Norton was awarded all 3 wins over Ali, as I thought he should have been, would anybody have Ali at 1? Not for me? Then different times. What happens Frazier vs Joshua? Hard to tell unless they are both in the ring together. I think there is a tendency to assume older fighters matchup very well with newer ones, but it's based on nostalgia above all else. Nash out.

Nash back in. There is no quantification when it comes to this list. People like myself are assuming the list is of the greatest fighters between that era as opposed to the best fighters on a given night. Sure...Wilder could knock out Ali on a given day. Maybe a thousand other people...and not all pro boxers...could also. What we are implying is this. The great fighters had resume...not always perfect...but clear enough to chart against others of a time period. Usyk has had 3 heavyweight fights. That's not really a chartable resume for this list at this point. Joshua could make the list if he regains the belts...because that will show resiliency and give us a guide as to what he might be capable of in the future regardless of adversity. That's a big if for me because I don't think he will win. But all props if he does. Nostalgia doesn't play into it....because time doesn't change history in order to turn great fighters into bad or average fighters. Their records speak for themselves.

[QueensburyRules]

Usyk has exceeded Holyfield at heavyweight? Care to explain that one? Where I'm sitting, Evander fought and beat far better fighter than Usyk has so far at heavyweight. And at already 35 years old with only Fury and possibly Wilder to make his heavyweight resume stronger, time is running out. I like Usyk, but I doubt he'll surpass Holyfield as it pertains to heavyweight greatness.

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No more pearls for U.

[GhostofDempsey]

It''s just opinion though. I mean, he has alI Ali at 1, could Wilder knock Ali out an a given day? Of course he could. If Norton was awarded all 3 wins over Ali, as I thought he should have been, would anybody have Ali at 1? Not for me? Then different times. What happens Frazier vs Joshua? Hard to tell unless they are both in the ring together. I think there is a tendency to assume older fighters matchup very well with newer ones, but it's based on nostalgia above all else. Nash out.

Watching the styles of Frazier and Joshua, it doesn't take an historian or salty old coach to see that Joe would flatten Joshua inside of a few rounds. Joshua is a one-dimensional fighter who was out slugged by Ruiz and out boxed by Usyk. There is nothing in his arsenal to suggest he'd be successful against boxers who have fought much better opposition. Wilder on his best day would not be able to KO Ali. He telegraphs his punches and he's too wild and unpolished. A one-trick pony who relies solely on that big right hand.

[Nash out]

Watching the styles of Frazier and Joshua, it doesn't take an historian or salty old coach to see that Joe would flatten Joshua inside of a few rounds. Joshua is a one-dimensional fighter who was out slugged by Ruiz and out boxed by Usyk. There is nothing in his arsenal to suggest he'd be successful against boxers who have fought much better opposition. Wilder on his best day would not be able to KO Ali. He telegraphs his punches and he's too wild and unpolished. A one-trick pony who relies solely on that big right hand.

Here you are doing the typical thing of using the fighter you think would lose, on his worst days, as his examples. Put it like this, the Joshua who beat Wlad, flattens the Frazier who jumped to the canvas every 5 seconds vs Foreman. Nash out.

[JAB5239]

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No more pearls for U.

Yes, boxrec shows us Evander fought and beat much better heavyweights competition. AJ is Usyks best win at heavyweights and the jury is still out on how good he really is. I agree with boxrec that Joshua is the fourth best heavyweight right now, but I'd give whit a very good chance at beating him.

[Willow The Wisp]

Well friends I guess the list is tight enough to engender some debate about head to head match-ups featuring it's contents. Cool. Lol.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, boxrec shows us Evander fought and beat much better heavyweights competition. AJ is Usyks best win at heavyweights and the jury is still out on how good he really is.

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AJ an HOFer as is Usyk and both bigger and more skilled overall than Vander and most of his competition @ 190+