What is the Historical Implications associated with Usyk Versus Joshua II ?

[Willow The Wisp]

Remember too, that 4 of those men featured are still active, and that the two lists featured here are BOTH hypothetical placements for Joshua And Usyk based ONLY on very strong performances in their August 20th clash.

The whole thing about Wilder being too high? Another wait & see. The whole "one trick pony" thing fails to mean much when you're knockin' fools out, maybe (just maybe) better than anyone ever born. If what he's done is that simple...You do it! Lol.

[JAB5239]

- - Jury convicted U of gnashing U gums on U Vander blow up doll ages ago.

AJ an HOFer as is Usyk and both bigger and more skilled overall than Vander and most of his competition @ 190+

Lol, Joshua is not more skilled than Holyfield, and Evander was never stopped stopped in his prime by a fighter the caliber of Ruiz.

Who has AJ beaten that you believe qualifies him as a HOF'er already?

I also find it funny you will call AJ a hall of famer, but dismis the hall when it comes to fighters you dont like. I hope AJ gets there. But if his career ended today he certainly wouldnt be a first ballot entry.

[mrbig1]

Beating AJ is not a big deal anymore. Win lose or draw The damage has already been done.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol, Joshua is not more skilled than Holyfield, and Evander was never stopped stopped in his prime by a fighter the caliber of Ruiz.

Who has AJ beaten that you believe qualifies him as a HOF'er already?

I also find it funny you will call AJ a hall of famer, but dismis the hall when it comes to fighters you dont like. I hope AJ gets there. But if his career ended today he certainly wouldnt be a first ballot entry.

- - Lucky to sc**** a split with Tubby Qawi and luckier still he didn't die in ER that night. AJ and Usyk both have a better heavy record than Vander point blank, period.

Oh, that's right, U no know timelines and records but now U gonna give us a wax job over the HOF...priceless...

[JAB5239]

- - Lucky to sc**** a split with Tubby Qawi and luckier still he didn't die in ER that night. AJ and Usyk both have a better heavy record than Vander point blank, period.

Oh, that's right, U no know timelines and records but now U gonna give us a wax job over the HOF...priceless...

Getting a split decision win over Qawi (who was built like a tank) who IS hall of fame fighter, in his 11th fight is much more impressive than getting knocked out by Andy Ruiz. I'm sure any objective person would agree with me on that.

I agree both Usyk and AJ have a better heavyweight record than Holy. But Evanders resume a wins at heavy take a big steaming dump on both their heavyweight records combined. Neither can hold a candle at this point to Holyfield's greatness .

[Willow The Wisp]

Regarding the most recent dispute directly above, it seems to me that comparing Holyfield to Joshua treads on some real apples to oranges area because we can view Evander in total, complete with all of his highs and lows, from the might of his prime and his rather historic deed to the abysmal deterioration of his finish; whilst Anthony Joshua is probably not done yet at all, in spite of his shocking disappointments. We forget too soon about his seemingly unstoppable momentum following his Thrilling knockout over an aging but invigorated Klitschko, of course; because that's what fans tend to do. I can't say which guy is "Greater" yet because the career of one of them isn't in the can yet. I can tell you that of the approximately 13,400 men weighing over 200 pounds who got brave, skipped over the low reward options in MMA and Kickboxing since Holyfield turned Pro, and campained as professional heavyweight boxers, both of these men are among the very very best. If that don't get your attentions, you ain't no fan of THIS sport.

[JAB5239]

Regarding the most recent dispute directly above, it seems to me that comparing Holyfield to Joshua treads on some real apples to oranges area because we can view Evander in total, complete with all of his highs and lows, from the might of his prime and his rather historic deed to the abysmal deterioration of his finish; whilst Anthony Joshua is probably not done yet at all, in spite of his shocking disappointments. We forget too soon about his seemingly unstoppable momentum following his Thrilling knockout over an aging but invigorated Klitschko, of course; because that's what fans tend to do. I can't say which guy is "Greater" yet because the career of one of them isn't in the can yet. I can tell you that of the approximately 13,400 men weighing over 200 pounds who got brave, skipped over the low reward options in MMA and Kickboxing since Holyfield turned Pro, and campained as professional heavyweight boxers, both of these men are among the very very best. If that don't get your attentions, you ain't no fan of THIS sport.

You can't say which guy is the greater all time heavyweight at this moment in time? I find that hard to believe. Now if you tell you you reserve the right to change your mind at the end of AJ or Usyk's career I could respect that. But the fact is Holyfield did fight and beat better fighters than either of these men....up to this point in time of course. Only an idiot (Queenie) would make such an absurd claim because he doesn't like a fighter. It's the same thing with Holmes. He'll ignore everything except whatever he can hold on to to tear down another all time great.

[P to the J]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

With respect, there’s no way Joshua belongs in this top 20 and there’s even less way that Wilder belongs in any top 50 during this period

[billeau2]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

So wisp:

Just a minor consideration: I can't do these lists very well and therefore, seldom do I pick a bone.

I think Jimmy Young was one of the best and know I am in the minority on that opinion. Young got bad calls against Norton and Ali, and if you consider those calls combined with who he beat, he has one of the best records... I think he belongs, surely better than Foley at least? lol.

[QueensburyRules]

Getting a split decision win over Qawi (who was built like a tank) who IS hall of fame fighter, in his 11th fight is much more impressive than getting knocked out by Andy Ruiz. I'm sure any objective person would agree with me on that.

I agree both Usyk and AJ have a better heavyweight record than Holy. But Evanders resume a wins at heavy take a big steaming dump on both their heavyweight records combined. Neither can hold a candle at this point to Holyfield's greatness .

- - Neither one would be allowed in the ring vs Ruiz who's heavy record also exceeds Vander.

AJ/Andy/Usyk, none will lose 10 fights and AJ/Andy already with more KOs.

How many x U gonna be born yesterday ever day before self awareness becomes apparent?