What is the Historical Implications associated with Usyk Versus Joshua II ?

[Willow The Wisp]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

[markusmod]

Very hard to say. For me it depends on what the winner does with Fury

[Rockybigblower]

I'm surprised that you can move Usyk from outside the top 20 ever up to almost top 10 based on one fight and drop Joshua about 8 spaces. Joshua shouldn't be in the top 20 and neither should Usyk.

[QueensburyRules]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

- - Instant Incineration is what U crave.

Usyk has already vastly exceeded Vander 26-10-2 heavy record as has AJ the Flubber of Fury for starters.

It's like U was born yesterday today.

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm surprised that you can move Usyk from outside the top 20 ever up to almost top 10 based on one fight and drop Joshua about 8 spaces. Joshua shouldn't be in the top 20 and neither should Usyk.

Usyk merits significant ranking ascent IF he is able to demonstrate that his first win over the once-thought-to-be-great Joshua was not a fluke, and DOMINATES. So the placement is hypothetical. Like any active fighter, Usyk is a W.I.P., as are Fury, Wilder and Joshua himself. The crux of my argument. I ask that such a counter be accompanied by some chops, if you please. That extends to those who liked your post, if you're feeling strong. So if I drop Joshua and Usyk out of my 52 year top 20, because I don't beleive in their abilities to do more good work...who swings in?
Retorts like "Lists are ******" are admissions of weakness in my view, so come ready if at all.

Huh?

For Usyk, provided he renders another dominant performance against a 2nd chance/fresh tactics A.J., I dropped out stalwart tough guy Ron Lyle, who just beats out for that coveted #20 slot contenders such as Machen, Chuvalo, Terrell, Ellis, Bonavena, (Leotis) Martin, Shavers, Witherspoon, Weaver, Thomas, Tucker, Cooney, Douglas, (Michael) Spinks, Moorer, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Byrd, Sanders, McCall, Rahmann, Morrison, Mercer, Briggs, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Parker.....you know the names.

What's up?

[Nash out]

Hard to tell before careers are over, but Tyson Fury H2H, beats any HW ever in a best of 3 scenario. The GOAT. Nash out. ATG boxing expert.

[JAB5239]

- - Instant Incineration is what U crave.

Usyk has already vastly exceeded Vander 26-10-2 heavy record as has AJ the Flubber of Fury for starters.

It's like U was born yesterday today.

Usyk has exceeded Holyfield at heavyweight? Care to explain that one? Where I'm sitting, Evander fought and beat far better fighter than Usyk has so far at heavyweight. And at already 35 years old with only Fury and possibly Wilder to make his heavyweight resume stronger, time is running out. I like Usyk, but I doubt he'll surpass Holyfield as it pertains to heavyweight greatness.

[The Old LefHook]

What is the impact of Any single fight? Once in awhile, its enormous. And that, IMO is the case here. In the happy, "Post Klitschko" era, we saw the "big three" emerge. One rose, one proved his courage and gained respect; and one fell, Twice. And for many, that latter champion HAD been the front-runner to eventually win it all.
That's a mighty fall from grace.

If Joshua absolutely DESTROYS Usyk in their rematch:
I put him about like this, 1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Joe Frazier
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Rid**** Bowe
18. Jerry Quarry
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Ron Lyle

If Usyk absolutely SCHOOLS Joshua in their rematch, I rank em' more like this:
1960 - 2022:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. Tyson Fury
7. Mike Tyson
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Joe Frazier
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. Cleveland Williams
15. Ken Norton
16. Zora Folley
17. Anthony Joshua
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Jerry Quarry
20. Floyd Patterson

No foolin'

Flame away.

That is a fine list.

[The Old LefHook]

If Usyk wins, that is a Russian heavyweight champion to *****, since he believes the Ukraine is part of mother Russia. The fight is already historical if it has two Moslems competing for the heavyweight championship. Ersatz Moslems like Tyson and many others do not even count.

I am not aware of Usyk's religion, but the Ukraine is full of Mossbacks.

[GhostofDempsey]

I'm struggling with how high you are ranking both Joshua and Usyk, and Wilder while we're at it.