Fighters who fouled and got away with it

[JAB5239]

Is that simple statement your entire definition of historical research? I guess the medical report posted by the manager doesn't mean anything.

I suspect the term 'transverse process,' wasn't in Hill's vocabulary or yours.

Good plan, keep it simple you'll be happier.

Hill obviously didnt think it illegal or a cheap shot.

What is interesting is . The costotransverse joint is where a small notch near the head of the rib (the tubercle) connects with the vertebra's lateral extension (the transverse process). Since trauma is the main reason for a transverse process fracture it is perfectly reasonable to assume Jones punch hit so hard it pushed the ribs to break the transverse process. It is also a very common broken bone caused by trauma.

[them_apples]

Hill obviously didnt think it illegal or a cheap shot.

What is interesting is . The costotransverse joint is where a small notch near the head of the rib (the tubercle) connects with the vertebra's lateral extension (the transverse process). Since trauma is the main reason for a transverse process fracture it is perfectly reasonable to assume Jones punch hit so hard it pushed the ribs to break the transverse process. It is also a very common broken bone caused by trauma.

We don't actually know if it was a cheap shot or not (cheap as in unintentionally cheap) My actually reasoning that it may have been is simply how much pain he was in from a blow to the left side of the body. Rarely, almost never does a fighter go down from a shot on that side because there isn't anything vital there. Even a broken rib won't send you down, even if it hurts. Lamotta got his rib busted against Robinson and you can see him wilt but remain standing. I understand that is lamotta, but that was also a severe and direct rib break.

To me Hill looks like he gets hacked in the back rib which most certainly would have rattled his kidneys badly, judging by the way he's rolling around. The only other thing that will do that is a liver shot. a shot to the solar plexus will seize your lungs up and leave you unable to breath, usually a forward crumple, and if they go down they tend to slowly crouch down then tip over.

I often wondered about this knockout, since its the only time I ever saw someone go down that bad from a right hook to the body. So when it was brought up that it was a kidney shot it instantly makes sense to me, and in the footage though hard to tell, it looks as though it coulda have been.

That being said, if it wasn't recognized on the night of, there's not much point in refuting this one, it's protect yourself at all times, he turned his body last minute and Jones clearly wasn't trying to foul him.

[QueensburyRules]

We don't actually know if it was a cheap shot or not (cheap as in unintentionally cheap) My actually reasoning that it may have been is simply how much pain he was in from a blow to the left side of the body. Rarely, almost never does a fighter go down from a shot on that side because there isn't anything vital there. Even a broken rib won't send you down, even if it hurts. Lamotta got his rib busted against Robinson and you can see him wilt but remain standing. I understand that is lamotta, but that was also a severe and direct rib break.

To me Hill looks like he gets hacked in the back rib which most certainly would have rattled his kidneys badly, judging by the way he's rolling around. The only other thing that will do that is a liver shot. a shot to the solar plexus will seize your lungs up and leave you unable to breath, usually a forward crumple, and if they go down they tend to slowly crouch down then tip over.

I often wondered about this knockout, since its the only time I ever saw someone go down that bad from a right hook to the body. So when it was brought up that it was a kidney shot it instantly makes sense to me, and in the footage though hard to tell, it looks as though it coulda have been.

That being said, if it wasn't recognized on the night of, there's not much point in refuting this one, it's protect yourself at all times, he turned his body last minute and Jones clearly wasn't trying to foul him.

- - Like I say, it's like U was born yesterday.

Seen plenty of fatal right hooks to the body.

[Clegg]

Is that simple statement your entire definition of historical research? I guess the medical report posted by the manager doesn't mean anything.

I suspect the term 'transverse process,' wasn't in Hill's vocabulary or yours.

Good plan, keep it simple you'll be happier.

Lol dude you sure become a snarky little one quick when somebody disagrees eh?

Sorry for posting video evidence proving you wrong. Sorry that you need to believe that Hill is too ****** to know the difference. Maybe you should respect his intelligence a little, he seems to have more of it than you with this silly conspiracy theory of the whole world being in on the cover-up.

Historical research? At least with my video you can see Hill saying "I broke my rib". For all I know your quote could be BS and even if it isn't, I'll take the word of the fighter who felt the injury and would've actually been at the hospital getting told this stuff direct.

You actually have video of the one person in the world who would know whether your claim is true. He says clearly it isn't true. If that's not enough for you, nothing will be.

Your bizarre claim is that the convo went something like this

Hey Doc, what's up?
Transverse process
Oh, is that my rib?
No, your back
Durr, I'm just a dumb boxer, durr, what's a back? I'll just say rib instead because I don't know the difference.

[Clegg]

You can break a rib in your back and kidney area

I'm confused on your take.

You seem to be agreeing with Pep in this thread. He was is pushing the "no rib was broken" line. But now you say a rib was broken. Maybe argue it between the 2 of you as you seem to have opposite views all of a sudden.

[Willie Pep 229]

Lol dude you sure become a snarky little one quick when somebody disagrees eh?

Sorry for posting video evidence proving you wrong. Sorry that you need to believe that Hill is too ****** to know the difference. Maybe you should respect his intelligence a little, he seems to have more of it than you with this silly conspiracy theory of the whole world being in on the cover-up.

Historical research? At least with my video you can see Hill saying "I broke my rib". For all I know your quote could be BS and even if it isn't, I'll take the word of the fighter who felt the injury and would've actually been at the hospital getting told this stuff direct.

You actually have video of the one person in the world who would know whether your claim is true. He says clearly it isn't true. If that's not enough for you, nothing will be.

Your bizarre claim is that the convo went something like this

Hey Doc, what's up?
Transverse process
Oh, is that my rib?
No, your back
Durr, I'm just a dumb boxer, durr, what's a back? I'll just say rib instead because I don't know the difference.

I never once said there was a conspiracy.

[travestyny]

Dempsey landed a legal beltline punch on Sharkey that the ref ruled legal. U gonna take that away too?

What grade you in? The ref said Dempsey hit low.

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[Willie Pep 229]

What grade you in? The ref said Dempsey hit low.

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Didn't he retract the statement at a later date?

Not that I put stock in any quote from anyone anymore . . . But one might put more emphasis on his first utterances as being more 'honest' than a retraction.

What I like best, as I have said before, they didn't wear protective belts in NY until 1931 - Dempsey was a master at laying in just enough power (low blow wise) to distract and gain an advantage without giving the opponent enough of an excuse to go down and claim the fight. (Don't think Dempsey was ever DQed ???)

This ref's reply seems to suggest that Dempsey tactic was at play.

Low Blows as a Tactic: Lou Duva bragged that he told Taylor to deliberately bounce low blows off Chavez's belt to throw-off Chavez's timing.

Don't know if that true or not, it's just a quote lol, but Taylor sure did bounce an awful number of punches off Chavez's belt (with some effect on Chavez's timing/rhythm.

[GhostofDempsey]

Didn't he retract the statement at a later date?

Not that I put stock in any quote from anyone anymore . . . But one might put more emphasis on his first utterances as being more 'honest' than a retraction.

What I like best, as I have said before, they didn't wear protective belts in NY until 1931 - Dempsey was a master at laying in just enough power (low blow wise) to distract and gain an advantage without giving the opponent enough of an excuse to go down and claim the fight. (Don't think Dempsey was ever DQed ???)

This ref's reply seems to suggest that Dempsey tactic was at play.

Low Blows as a Tactic: Lou Duva bragged that he told Taylor to deliberately bounce low blows off Chavez's belt to throw-off Chavez's timing.

Don't know if that true or not, it's just a quote lol, but Taylor sure did bounce an awful number of punches off Chavez's belt (with some effect on Chavez's timing/rhythm.

All one has to do is watch the video, right on the belt line. Those anonymous news clippings though, lol. And yes, Dempsey was never disqualified, unlike dirty Wills who was DQ’d at least 3x in his career and should have been more.

[travestyny]

Didn't he retract the statement at a later date?

Not that I put stock in any quote from anyone anymore . . . But one might put more emphasis on his first utterances as being more 'honest' than a retraction.

What I like best, as I have said before, they didn't wear protective belts in NY until 1931 - Dempsey was a master at laying in just enough power (low blow wise) to distract and gain an advantage without giving the opponent enough of an excuse to go down and claim the fight. (Don't think Dempsey was ever DQed ???)

This ref's reply seems to suggest that Dempsey tactic was at play.

Low Blows as a Tactic: Lou Duva bragged that he told Taylor to deliberately bounce low blows off Chavez's belt to throw-off Chavez's timing.

Don't know if that true or not, it's just a quote lol, but Taylor sure did bounce an awful number of punches off Chavez's belt (with some effect on Chavez's timing/rhythm.

No, I don't believe the ref ever retracted this statement.

I'm honestly surprised you would suggest Dempsey was a dirty fighter.