Fighters who fouled and got away with it

[travestyny]

All one has to do is watch the video, right on the belt line. Those anonymous news clippings though, lol. And yes, Dempsey was never disqualified, unlike dirty Wills who was DQ’d at least 3x in his career and should have been more.

Feel free to show us the video and pause it to show where it hits the belt line, because no one has been able to show it so far, and the referee plainly states in a number of quotations that it was LOW.

Those no proof at all emotional posts, doe. lol


You really hate Harry Wills, huh? I know why Thread is about boxers that got away with dirty tactics, not about your hate for the man your idol ducked shamelessly.

[GhostofDempsey]

Feel free to show us the video and pause it to show where it hits the belt line, because no one has been able to show it so far, and the referee plainly states in a number of quotations that it was LOW.

Those no proof at all emotional posts, doe. lol


You really hate Harry Wills, huh? I know why Thread is about boxers that got away with dirty tactics, not about your hate for the man your idol ducked shamelessly.

The ref didn’t have the vantage point that we all have to examine the video. It happened all so fast. It’s clear to my eyes it was on the belt line. You can believe the ref who only had a split second to see the punch and never called it a low blow during the fight.

Wills was dirty. Has nothing to do with who he did or didn’t fight. Any fighter who is DQ’d 3x is a dirty fighter. Deal with it scrawny.

[Willie Pep 229]

The ref didn’t have the vantage point that we all have to examine the video. It happened all so fast. It’s clear to my eyes it was on the belt line. You can believe the ref who only had a split second to see the punch and never called it a low blow during the fight.

Wills was dirty. Has nothing to do with who he did or didn’t fight. Any fighter who is DQ’d 3x is a dirty fighter. Deal with it scrawny.

To his last DQ against Sharkey in '26 I think he got himself DQed to avoid the KO. By most accounts he was getting beat up.

I think we all pretty much agree that was what Tyson was doing in Holyfield II.

But it is one of those things that can never really rise above conjecture.

He did put Firpo down in '24 with a cheap shot. Hitting on the break the referee refused to count.

[Willie Pep 229]

No, I don't believe the ref ever retracted this statement.

I'm honestly surprised you would suggest Dempsey was a dirty fighter.

LOL - they literally imposed the neutral corner rule because of the Firpo fight.

Here's one for JJ.

If you watch the manner Johnson handles his knock down of Jeffries you see the proper way to act when you knock your opponent down (pre-rule).

He gave Jeffries enough room to get to his feet un******ed but was ready to pounce the moment he did. There is even a moment where Jeffries starts to rise and JJ moves forward ready to pounce and Jeffries goes back down to one knee. Johnson actually then takes a step backwards and waits.

If all fighters accorded themselves in the manner Johnson did against Jeffries we may not have seen the neutral corner rule imposed.

Dempsey on the other hand stepped over a prone Firpo to get in position to clock him the moment his gloves left the floor.

The only credit you can give Dempsey is that he tried to avoid rabbit punches. That's why he had to step over Firpo, so he could get into position. LOL

For what it's worth Dempsey once said of the 'long count' - I forgot to go to a neutral corner because all I could think about was killing that son of a bltch.

[travestyny]

The ref didn’t have the vantage point that we all have to examine the video. It happened all so fast. It’s clear to my eyes it was on the belt line. You can believe the ref who only had a split second to see the punch and never called it a low blow during the fight.

Wills was dirty. Has nothing to do with who he did or didn’t fight. Any fighter who is DQ’d 3x is a dirty fighter. Deal with it scrawny.

I agree with you. The ref didn't do the best job. He also claims there was a left hook before the final blow, which was clearly false.

What video did you see that convinced you it was on the belt line? Why don't you just share it if you want us to believe you over the ref.


You have to come with some proof or my "scrawny" ass will just keep making you look like the emotional fool you are



By the way. You are wrong that he didn't call it a low blow during the fight. He clearly stepped in and gave a warning for Dempsey to keep his punches up.




Wills doesn't have the reputation of a dirty fighter. It's obvious why you would continue to try to throw dirt on his name, so frankly your opinion isn't worth anything in the matter.

[travestyny]

LOL - they literally imposed the neutral corner rule because of the Firpo fight.

Here's one for JJ.

If you watch the manner Johnson handles his knock down of Jeffries you see the proper way to act when you knock your opponent down (pre-rule).

He gave Jeffries enough room to get to his feet un******ed but was ready to pounce the moment he did. There is even a moment where Jeffries starts to rise and JJ moves forward ready to pounce and Jeffries goes back down to one knee. Johnson actually then takes a step backwards and waits.

If all fighters accorded themselves in the manner Johnson did against Jeffries we may not have seen the neutral corner rule imposed.

Dempsey on the other hand stepped over a prone Firpo to get in position to clock him the moment his gloves left the floor.

The only credit you can give Dempsey is that he tried to avoid rabbit punches. That's why he had to step over Firpo, so he could get into position. LOL

For what it's worth Dempsey once said of the 'long count' - I forgot to go to a neutral corner because all I could think about was killing that son of a bltch.

Well I mean, clearly Dempsey was willing to take some liberties. He knew Willard made a huge deal about wanting the wraps for their fight to be only a bit of gauze and tape to hold it in place, and we've already talked about his wraps that day.

Still I've never really thought of him as a dirty fighter. But I guess there isn't really another way to put it then. Not the worst, but he certainly wasn't a choir boy.

[GhostofDempsey]

I agree with you. The ref didn't do the best job. He also claims there was a left hook before the final blow, which was clearly false.

What video did you see that convinced you it was on the belt line? Why don't you just share it if you want us to believe you over the ref.


You have to come with some proof or my "scrawny" ass will just keep making you look like the emotional fool you are



By the way. You are wrong that he didn't call it a low blow during the fight. He clearly stepped in and gave a warning for Dempsey to keep his punches up.

So wait, now all the sudden you're calling out the trash talk? All that shyt you talked on here and in the lounge and now you're talking about "emotions"? Make up your mind, if you want civil discussion then lose the snark and taunts and you'll get the same in return.

Dempsey was more or less tapping Sharkey on the belt line a few times with nothing stronger than a jab and Sharkey was looking for the DQ. Sharkey also had his left hand above Dempsey's pushing it down. He was taking it to the body in the last few rounds and the momentum was shifting in Dempsey's favor. Had the ref been enforcing anything in there, Sharkey would have been DQ'd at the end of round 6 when he punched Dempsey in the jaw after the bell. If nothing else he should have been warned. Sharkey also wore his trunks a little higher.

[GhostofDempsey]

Well I mean, clearly Dempsey was willing to take some liberties. He knew Willard made a huge deal about wanting the wraps for their fight to be only a bit of gauze and tape to hold it in place, and we've already talked about his wraps that day.

Still I've never really thought of him as a dirty fighter. But I guess there isn't really another way to put it then. Not the worst, but he certainly wasn't a choir boy.

Willard's own people watched Dempsey's hands being wrapped. Willard shook Jack's hands before the fight and looked them over. There were several witnesses who watched his hands being wrapped. The photo of him in his corner clearly show his wrapped hands. No excuses there, Willard got beat clean.

Dempsey wasn't a dirty fighter, but he knew all the tricks. Most of the fighters of that era took liberties, especially when fighting on the inside. Greb had a fierce reputation as a dirty fighter, but he himself denied it, and claimed he was just returning a receipt of what was being done to him. Same with Zivic. Without any film on Greb it's difficult to say.

[travestyny]

So wait, now all the sudden you're calling out the trash talk? All that shyt you talked on here and in the lounge and now you're talking about "emotions"? Make up your mind, if you want civil discussion then lose the snark and taunts and you'll get the same in return.

You are the one who drives the conversations in the mud. Any way you want to take it is fine with me.

Dempsey was more or less tapping Sharkey on the belt line a few times with nothing stronger than a jab and Sharkey was looking for the DQ. Sharkey also had his left hand above Dempsey's pushing it down. He was taking it to the body in the last few rounds and the momentum was shifting in Dempsey's favor. Had the ref been enforcing anything in there, Sharkey would have been DQ'd at the end of round 6 when he punched Dempsey in the jaw after the bell. If nothing else he should have been warned. Sharkey also wore his trunks a little higher.

All I'm asking for is what video you've seen that showed the punch on the belt line. I know there was a new video that was being shown not too long ago and if I remember correctly, it also showed basically nothing. You can clearly see Sharkey react immediately as soon as he was hit in the balls. Whether he tried to look for an easy way out afterward, only he knows.

But you said it was clearly on the belt line if we watch the video. I'm simply wondering which video?

[travestyny]

Willard's own people watched Dempsey's hands being wrapped. Willard shook Jack's hands before the fight and looked them over. There were several witnesses who watched his hands being wrapped. The photo of him in his corner clearly show his wrapped hands. No excuses there, Willard got beat clean.

Dempsey wasn't a dirty fighter, but he knew all the tricks. Most of the fighters of that era took liberties, especially when fighting on the inside. Greb had a fierce reputation as a dirty fighter, but he himself denied it, and claimed he was just returning a receipt of what was being done to him. Same with Zivic. Without any film on Greb it's difficult to say.

Right. And people present that day say he used bicycle tape, including his trainer whom he had a good relationship with throughout his life. It was described as a trick of the trade, so it goes along with what you are saying perfectly.

I don't agree with that exactly being a "clean" win if Willard had just that bit of gauze and Dempsey is wrapped up in bicycle tape that his trainer admit was the reason he cut Willard up.