Your favorite resume padding cherry pickers?

[GhostofDempsey]

Anthony,

I can't find a statement in the narrative that supports the headline.

Mayweather does say . .

". . . I think that he’s one of the best. We didn’t come together when we wanted to, but we were able to come together and give the fans a helluva fight . . .

For me that doesn't truly support the headline . . .

Floyd Mayweather Admits He Fought an Older Version of Manny Pacquiao

Did I miss something? I think the editor is extrapolating off that remark a bit too much.

After the fight when a reporter asked if he should have fought Pac sooner, Floyd responded by saying "Let's just say I was smart, 5 years ago this isn't as big a fight". Floyd of course was suggesting that he was a clairvoyant, that his crystal ball told him the fight would be much bigger if he just marinated it for 5 years. I won't forget that he dropped about ten excuses during that 5 years to keep moving the goal post and avoid Manny who was at his best. The fact that he made PED accusations in the first place was his first attempt at ducking. Mr. IV wasn't concerned with cleaning up boxing.

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd and Hopkins would top my list.

Floyd avoided the likes of Casamayor, Freitas, Vivian Harris, Margarito, Paul Williams, Tszyu, Thurman, Sergio Martinez who offered to come all the way down to 150 - 154, Mosley at 135, Cotto at 140/7, Manny at his peak, "retired" instead of giving a rematch to DLH who I actually had winning that fight. In fact, Floyd retired about 3 times whenever things got hot and he needed an out. He called out Winky Wright, and when Wright called his bluff, he went running. JMM came up almost 3 weight classes for a catch weight that Floyd had no intention of making. Then refused to be weighed on day of fight. A rematch with Manny would have been his most lucrative option but he ran like a thief in the night with a win that should have been a draw. He got gifts against Castillo I and Maidana I, ducked Khan in favor of Maidana, fought a weight drained Canelo at a catchweight while he was only 23---he boasts about that win yet insisted Tank was too young at 23 for Loma. Tank Davis will be the next master cherry-picker, he's already on a clear path to the same smoke and mirrors career Floyd had.

He fought Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir and should have been DQ'd in that fight.

His best win was Corrales, who was drained at 130 and recovering from a case of bronchitis.

When we look at Hopkins resume, it's obvious he hid out at 160 for as long he could to break Monzon's record. He has one of the weakest title defense reigns in boxing history alongside Monzon. He also wanted to avoid the best at 168 like Toney and Jones. He padded his record with a bunch of journeymen level contenders who have been long forgotten. Steven Frank, Joe Lipsey, Sid Vanderpool, Antwun Echols 2x, Keith Holmes, Carl Daniels, Hakkar, Eastman. Fought Robert Allen 3x in a foul-filled trilogy. Best wins were blown up WW Oscar and Tito, and a weight drained Tarver. Avoided a rematch with a prime Jones at 168. Refused to fight overseas with any of the top fighters at 160 - 175. Disgraced himself with acting performances in his NC with Dawson, and trying to draw fouls and DQs against Jones in their rematch that was too little, too late.

His claim to fame was fighting into a ripe old age, but he did get off to a late start, and his body hadn't taken a lot of wear and tear, especially fighting smaller opponents or B-level opposition. His style was boring and dirty which also contributed to his longevity.

[The Old LefHook]

Some people are dumb enough to need an explanation of why anyone would think Mayweather was a cherry picker Christ, he fought everyone after their expiration date. He fought Marquez at a weight where the Mexican was a midget. Fought Pacquiao, Mosley and Cotto way late. Fought Hatton late.

The only real killer he fought was Chico, and when you see them in the ring together you suddenly realize the lanky-seeming Chico was just another Mayweather midget. Let's face it, churls, the fighters that gave him fits of trouble were not great fighters, just good ones.

You hayseeds have not seen Mayweather make an All Time list in years, and still don't get it.

[billeau2]

OK - I live in the early 20th Century and I am truly ignorant regarding Money.

But thanks to the very passionate debate on this forum I now know quite a bit about the PAC Man controversey, (delay) but other than PAC who do you feel he avoided?

I also know from the forum, that these guys wanted him to fight Canelo again, but isn't that 20, 20 hindsight? I don't remember hearing Canelo calling for a rematch. Did he push for a second fight?

I am not a TBE fan, his style is everything you hear me complain about, over and over, but if he was a cherry picker, who else besides PAC?

I would say that to answer this question would involve a lot of back and fourth... But at the end of the day, what I do is compare Jones to Mayweather. I do this for a number of reasons: For one, both guys fans could really tell you how little you know about boxing lol... But both men Jones and Mayweather were matched intelligently for a good part of their careers so to speak. Heres the big differnce: Jones was dominant against Toney, Hopkins and the very underated Montell Griffin (I know Roy lost that first fight lol). Mayweather? who has he beat on that level, decisively? Jones won those fights when his opponents were at their best, still not twilight... Mayweather? I mean the pac fight? could have gone either way... Crtainly not a dominant win over a fellow ATG at around prime...

Mayweather snuck by some wins and he won his fights, he obviously had talent... I would put him at 130 on a short list... But while neither Jones, nor Mayweather ever seemed to go hammer and tongs in the ring with a rival with skills to match... JOnes actually dominated those rivals (see above) while Mayweather never had those fights.

[IronDanHamza]

BOOM exactly. Plus kept putting up most (not all) of the obstacles to the Pacquiao fight. Added drug testing as a stipulation. Then when that was finally agreed upon, there was a long disagreement over the money split. I know people say "Well Pacquiao could've just agreed to the testing". But he did eventually agree to it, but the fight was still stalled. Plus two more things. Who is a boxer to make rules on drug testing when boxing already has such rules in place and the other thing was Manny didn't want Floyd holding all the cards when it came to negotiating the fight. Could Manny have agreed to some things in negotiations sooner? Sure, but Floyd himself later admitted to fighting an older version of Manny: https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...anny-pacquiao/

I'd say also Joe Calzaghe could be added to the list.

You mean like Pacquaio making his own rules by demanding a ridiculous $10 million per lb over weight stipulation?

Or does "making your own rules" only count for one fighter?

Floyd agreed to Pacquaio's demands. Pacquaio rejected Floyd's.

Let's stick to what actually happened.

[IronDanHamza]

Some people are dumb enough to need an explanation of why anyone would think Mayweather was a cherry picker Christ, he fought everyone after their expiration date. He fought Marquez at a weight where the Mexican was a midget. Fought Pacquiao, Mosley and Cotto way late. Fought Hatton late.

The only real killer he fought was Chico, and when you see them in the ring together you suddenly realize the lanky-seeming Chico was just another Mayweather midget. Let's face it, churls, the fighters that gave him fits of trouble were not great fighters, just good ones.

You hayseeds have not seen Mayweather make an All Time list in years, and still don't get it.

Mayweather makes all time great lists all the time. In fact can you name a recent one he hasn't made?

Hatton too late? When exactly was that fight supposed to happen before it actually did?

[The Old LefHook]

Now, Danny, are you overlooking again that he fought famous midgets? The man was so late for so many parties.

When Mayweather became a sensation, I knew America had gone halfwit. There was just not that much to admire about him. I give him credit for having one of the fullest medicine bags in a long time. But you have to use that medicine for high causes to gain the legacy he thought he already had.

I have a little inside line, a little gossip line, and I hear things. For instance, Floyd is a boxing forum addict. He can't stay away, I am told. I guess he is looking for the lost legacy, but never seems to find it. He gets less respect than Rodney Dangerfield on boxing forums. They say that is why he took up NASCAR, to break the addiction and leave behind all the negativity of boxing forums. Apparently, it really bothers him. Apparently, he figured he would already be universally enshrined as TBE the day after retirement. NASCAR can be an expensive habit just to forget your lack of ring legacy. The man should try drinking.

[Anthony342]

You mean like Pacquaio making his own rules by demanding a ridiculous $10 million per lb over weight stipulation?

Or does "making your own rules" only count for one fighter?

Floyd agreed to Pacquaio's demands. Pacquaio rejected Floyd's.

Let's stick to what actually happened.

No, it counts for both fighters. And what I said happened as well. So both made their own rules then or tried to. Yeah, you're right though he didn't fight Pacquiao when he was past it.

[IronDanHamza]

No, it counts for both fighters. And what I said happened as well. So both made their own rules then or tried to. Yeah, you're right though he didn't fight Pacquiao when he was past it.

Pacquaio didn't fight Floyd until he was past it either.

You're saying it counts for both fighters yet putting the onus on Floyd here, why?

In the first negotiations (2009) the fight fell through because Pacquaio turned down random drug testing. That's just a fact and Freddie Roach himself has admitted on camera that they were at fault for that first initial talks breaking down.

So let's stick to the facts here and not twist the narrative.

[Willie Pep 229]

Pacquaio didn't fight Floyd until he was past it either.

You're saying it counts for both fighters yet putting the onus on Floyd here, why?

In the first negotiations (2009) the fight fell through because Pacquaio turned down random drug testing. That's just a fact and Freddie Roach himself has admitted on camera that they were at fault for that first initial talks breaking down.

So let's stick to the facts here and not twist the narrative.

Are quotes facts?

Is Fredie Roach a good source? I never like much hearing from trainers/managers/promoters telling us negative inside info after they are no longer connected to their fighters.

What was Roach's situation when he made this declaration?