Your favorite resume padding cherry pickers?

[QueensburyRules]

Floyd fought some guys late but he still fought a ridiculous amount of titlists. Some pre-prime, some in their absolute primes, some on the downside:
Genaro Henandez
Gregorio Vargas
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo
Jose Luis Castillo
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosley
Victor Ortiz
Miguel Cotto
Robert Guerrero
Canelo Alvarez
Marcos Maidana
Marcos Maidana
Manny Pacquiao
Andre Berto

26-0-0-0 in world title fights
23-0-0-0 in lineal title fights
24-0-0-0 against fighters who won at least one world title
12-0-0-0 against fighters who won at least one lineal title

Even if you take out all the wins that you call "cherry picks" he's still a first ballot Hall of Famer.

And let's not forget that Floyd was past his prime himself by the time he fought Marquez. It's not like Floyd's prime lasted from 1998-2015.

The spirit of this thread is guys like Nielsen, who built literally their whole legacy off the back of shot fighters. He never once beat a contender or champion in their prime.

- - l'l SissySoyFloy melts like the Wicked Witch in OZ when removed from MGM. Makes Sven Ottke look like the away fighter in his career.

[Willie Pep 229]

Well... Perhaps if he had fought Canelo at a decent weight and not a catch weight that caused poor Saul problems.

I am lost - I thought catch weight usually meant you came on at your natural weight (personal choice) with no regard to weight classes.

Yet I keep hearing posters say that Canelo was dehydrated and weakened.

Do I have the term catch weight incorrect or is it being used incorrectly? I.e. Was Canelo assigned a particular weight he had to reduce to?

To me that's not catch weight?

Please educate me!

[billeau2]

I am lost - I thought catch weight usually meant you came on at your natural weight (personal choice) with no regard to weight classes.

Yet I keep hearing posters say that Canelo was dehydrated and weakened.

Do I have the term catch weight incorrect or is it being used incorrectly? I.e. Was Canelo assigned a particular weight he had to reduce to?

To me that's not catch weight?

Please educate me!

Put simply: a catchweight is any negotiated weight that falls outside traditional weight classes. You could fight at a catch weight to fight at your natural weight, but the only open weight class in boxing is the Heavyweight division. Technically there are no weight limits to the heavyweight division. Floyd made sure Canelo was at a weight where Canelo was minimized.

[QueensburyRules]

I am lost - I thought catch weight usually meant you came on at your natural weight (personal choice) with no regard to weight classes.

Yet I keep hearing posters say that Canelo was dehydrated and weakened.

Do I have the term catch weight incorrect or is it being used incorrectly? I.e. Was Canelo assigned a particular weight he had to reduce to?

To me that's not catch weight?

Please educate me!

- - 152 lbs turning blue at the weighin. Canelo was always draining as low as he could go until recently. Instead of his normal fight wt of 175, he came in exactly at 165, clearly a rehydration limit in the contract.

Prob at 185 fight wt now, but boxing coverage so pathetic they usually bury it if they even cover it at all. Roy at 175 used to brag about 185 in the ring, the net result of modern pre-day weighins.

[Anthony342]

Errrr Mayweather?

PIcking a young and non seasoned Canelo at a catchweight.
Fighting Zab way after he was the Lion of Judah so to speak...
Fightng Marquez at a weight where he was small and would not dent a fabriege egg....
Pacquio when he was past it...
Hatton after Ricki had slowed down and had become a humping machine.
I mean I hate to bring it up and all... But at least Jones fought Toney and Hopkins at prime...

BOOM exactly. Plus kept putting up most (not all) of the obstacles to the Pacquiao fight. Added drug testing as a stipulation. Then when that was finally agreed upon, there was a long disagreement over the money split. I know people say "Well Pacquiao could've just agreed to the testing". But he did eventually agree to it, but the fight was still stalled. Plus two more things. Who is a boxer to make rules on drug testing when boxing already has such rules in place and the other thing was Manny didn't want Floyd holding all the cards when it came to negotiating the fight. Could Manny have agreed to some things in negotiations sooner? Sure, but Floyd himself later admitted to fighting an older version of Manny: https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...anny-pacquiao/

I'd say also Joe Calzaghe could be added to the list.

[Nash out]

Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. by an absolute mile. Nash out.

[Willie Pep 229]

BOOM exactly. Plus kept putting up most (not all) of the obstacles to the Pacquiao fight. Added drug testing as a stipulation. Then when that was finally agreed upon, there was a long disagreement over the money split. I know people say "Well Pacquiao could've just agreed to the testing". But he did eventually agree to it, but the fight was still stalled. Plus two more things. Who is a boxer to make rules on drug testing when boxing already has such rules in place and the other thing was Manny didn't want Floyd holding all the cards when it came to negotiating the fight. Could Manny have agreed to some things in negotiations sooner? Sure, but Floyd himself later admitted to fighting an older version of Manny: https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...anny-pacquiao/

I'd say also Joe Calzaghe could be added to the list.

Anthony,

I can't find a statement in the narrative that supports the headline.

Mayweather does say . .

". . . I think that he’s one of the best. We didn’t come together when we wanted to, but we were able to come together and give the fans a helluva fight . . .

For me that doesn't truly support the headline . . .

Floyd Mayweather Admits He Fought an Older Version of Manny Pacquiao

Did I miss something? I think the editor is extrapolating off that remark a bit too much.

[The Old LefHook]

Mayweather is the king on cherry pickers. That is why he can't get any respect on history forums. Everyone except bonafide churls know what he did to stay undefeated.

[Willie Pep 229]

Mayweather is the king on cherry pickers. That is why he can't get any respect on history forums. Everyone except bonafide churls know what he did to stay undefeated.

OK - I live in the early 20th Century and I am truly ignorant regarding Money.

But thanks to the very passionate debate on this forum I now know quite a bit about the PAC Man controversey, (delay) but other than PAC who do you feel he avoided?

I also know from the forum, that these guys wanted him to fight Canelo again, but isn't that 20, 20 hindsight? I don't remember hearing Canelo calling for a rematch. Did he push for a second fight?

I am not a TBE fan, his style is everything you hear me complain about, over and over, but if he was a cherry picker, who else besides PAC?

[QueensburyRules]

OK - I live in the early 20th Century and I am truly ignorant regarding Money.

But thanks to the very passionate debate on this forum I now know quite a bit about the PAC Man controversey, (delay) but other than PAC who do you feel he avoided?

I also know from the forum, that these guys wanted him to fight Canelo again, but isn't that 20, 20 hindsight? I don't remember hearing Canelo calling for a rematch. Did he push for a second fight?

I am not a TBE fan, his style is everything you hear me complain about, over and over, but if he was a cherry picker, who else besides PAC?

- - When Canelo beat Cotto at Cotto's 155 catchweight for the middle title, he held the key to l'l Floy 6th division title at a convenient 155 wt. Absent interest, Canelo reverted to consecutive 154 fights vs Baldomir, Ndou, and Magic Hatton. KOs Baldy who took Floy the distance, beats up Ndou, Floy main sparmate, and steels Magic from Floy by giving him a better offer, thus finally yielding the Floy fight at 152. For 155 Canelo used Khan who won the Floy fan club poll of his next opponent, but l'l Floy didn't fancy that, instead looking like his punchy daddy vs Maidana.

So Canelo moves to KO Liam Smith for his 154 belt hoping l'l Floy finally mans up, but instead he chose McG debut to be beat up before Bayliss pulls the plug on McG. That's the action generating the GGG claims Canelo was ducking him, when in fact his decision was prompted by Suilaman trying to impose purse bids on Canelo when he was pursuing the bigger fight vs Floy. Complicated by the "Star" boxing civil suit seeking damages from when Oscar apparently stole the 18 year old Canelo from Star. Canelo lost that 5 mil settlement, and only after could GGG be agreed upon with the now emasculated Suliaman agreeing to all of Canelo terms.