Your favorite resume padding cherry pickers?

[IronDanHamza]

Now, Danny, are you overlooking again that he fought famous midgets? The man was so late for so many parties.

When Mayweather became a sensation, I knew America had gone halfwit. There was just not that much to admire about him. I give him credit for having one of the fullest medicine bags in a long time. But you have to use that medicine for high causes to gain the legacy he thought he already had.

I have a little inside line, a little gossip line, and I hear things. For instance, Floyd is a boxing forum addict. He can't stay away, I am told. I guess he is looking for the lost legacy, but never seems to find it. He gets less respect than Rodney Dangerfield on boxing forums. They say that is why he took up NASCAR, to break the addiction and leave behind all the negativity of boxing forums. Apparently, it really bothers him. Apparently, he figured he would already be universally enshrined as TBE the day after retirement. NASCAR can be an expensive habit just to forget your lack of ring legacy. The man should try drinking.

You're talking total nonsense mate, to be honest.

Floyd Mayweather has been amongst the Top 50 on ATG lists dating back as far as 2008.

ESPN's expert panel made a ATG list in 2016 of the Greatest boxers of the last 25 years, Mayweather was #1.

Cliff Rold, a historian writer for this site (amongst many others) and also a poster on here, made a list for The Ring Magazine of The Top 100 boxers of The Ring Magazine Rankings last month to which Mayweather was ranked #6.

So in short, you're talking nonsense. Floyd Mayweather is included in every single ATG list worth it's salt and has been for 15 years. It would be a total absurdity if he wasn't.

[IronDanHamza]

Are quotes facts?

Is Fredie Roach a good source? I never like much hearing from trainers/managers/promoters telling us negative inside info after they are no longer connected to their fighters.

What was Roach's situation when he made this declaration?

Freddie Roach is an incredibly good source as his long time trainer/father figure and at the time current trainer. His quote doesn't necessarily mean that it proves it's a fact, but it's very telling that he can even admit that himself.

It is a fact, however, that the fight initially fell through in 2009 because Pacquaio turned down random drug testing. That's not a debatable topic.

Freddie Roach admitting that on camera years later it just a formality to the situation. It's something that can't be denied because it's actually what happened.

Between the years of 2011-2014, that's where is get's messy and both fighters had their faults in that fight not taking place.

[QueensburyRules]

Pacquaio didn't fight Floyd until he was past it either.

You're saying it counts for both fighters yet putting the onus on Floyd here, why?

In the first negotiations (2009) the fight fell through because Pacquaio turned down random drug testing. That's just a fact and Freddie Roach himself has admitted on camera that they were at fault for that first initial talks breaking down.

So let's stick to the facts here and not twist the narrative.

- - Ah, so, Dannysan, musta been in diapers then.

Arum spent 3 months flying to the Philippines negotiating every Son of CrackDaddy demand, and they finally sealed the deal 50-50 purse/ppv split with Date, Venue, and Glove demands of l'l Floydy given, and in last hour the poor dear want's non standard drug testing of Olympic quality that Son of CrackDaddy never implemented in a single fight.

Olympic drug testing terms are never negotiated, but Manny was willing to compromise every l'l Floyd compromise until they couldn't meet in the middle.

Manny made the date, 3/13/10, but couldn't make the venue reserved by Son of CrackDaddy who made neither the date and forfeited his bond for the venue.

Guess U in U early 20s by now. What grade U finish?

[Willie Pep 229]

One argument (Queen's) suggests that Mayweather kept moving the goal post so as to avoid the fight.

Prompts two questions:

1. Was there cause to believe that PAC may have been juicing . . .

2. Did Money pubically argue that, that was his concern (PAC juicing)?

It does seem to be a fact (considering both arguments) that it is PAC who shuts down the negotiation in 2009.

So how do we parse Roach's quote - is he saying we should have taken the fight with that clause attached, that it didn't matter, or is he saying they should have continued to negotiate?

Would like to see the whole interview, is that possible?

[IronDanHamza]

One argument (Queen's) suggests that Mayweather kept moving the goal post so as to avoid the fight.

Prompts two questions:

1. Was there cause to believe that PAC may have been juicing . . .

2. Did Money pubically argue that, that was his concern (PAC juicing)?

It does seem to be a fact (considering both arguments) that it is PAC who shuts down the negotiation in 2009.

So how do we parse Roach's quote - is he saying we should have taken the fight with that clause attached, that it didn't matter, or is he saying they should have continued to negotiate?

Would like to see the whole interview, is that possible?

https://********/ZUs8yAS_qTs - ROACH ADMITS PACQUIAO TURNED DOWN MAYWEATHER FIGHT IN 2008 AND WAS MANNY'S FAULT -

2 minutes 45 seconds he talks about it.





Pacquaio made a personal request of $10 million dollars per lb Floyd comes in above 147. Which was a totally absurd request, but Floyd accepted it.

Floyd requested both undergo Olympic style drug testing up to the day of the fight, which shortly became standard procedure accross Boxing and still is to this day.

So much so, that Pacquaio requested the exact same testing protocol vs Marquez and went on to use the same testing for many of his later fights.

In 2009 however, he turned it down and for that reason and that reason alone the fight fell through.

Post 2009 it's a different story but the first negotiations this is the case.

Pacquaio's at fault, again, not a debatable topic but of course people with certain narratives still will.

[The Old LefHook]

Listen to Iron Danny go! I just want to know if he rides MW's nuts high or low. Only young punks who adore smack talking rate MW as an ATG. Ride 'em, Danny, ride 'em, cowboy.

[IronDanHamza]

Listen to Iron Danny go! I just want to know if he rides MW's nuts high or low. Only young punks who adore smack talking rate MW as an ATG. Ride 'em, Danny, ride 'em, cowboy.

Pathetic response mate You were talking total nonsense, simple as that.

To then resort to this child like behavior is even more embarrassing.

[Willie Pep 229]

https://********/ZUs8yAS_qTs - ROACH ADMITS PACQUIAO TURNED DOWN MAYWEATHER FIGHT IN 2008 AND WAS MANNY'S FAULT -

2 minutes 45 seconds he talks about it.





Pacquaio made a personal request of $10 million dollars per lb Floyd comes in above 147. Which was a totally absurd request, but Floyd accepted it.

Floyd requested both undergo Olympic style drug testing up to the day of the fight, which shortly became standard procedure accross Boxing and still is to this day.

So much so, that Pacquaio requested the exact same testing protocol vs Marquez and went on to use the same testing for many of his later fights.

In 2009 however, he turned it down and for that reason and that reason alone the fight fell through.

Post 2009 it's a different story but the first negotiations this is the case.

Pacquaio's at fault, again, not a debatable topic but of course people will certain narratives still will.

Wow! I turned on the CC and it couldn't get much of the dialouge either.

The CC picks up the word " initiation " and you can hear him say 'first.' So I'm assuming he is talking about the first negotiation, but that's just my conjecture. After some incoherent statements he touches his chest and says 'my fault' then more incoherent statements - but to be honest that's all I can get from it. The CC picked up even less.

[IronDanHamza]

Wow! I turned on the CC and it couldn't get much of the dialouge either.

The CC picks up the word " initiation " and you can hear him say 'first.' So I'm assuming he is talking about the first negotiation, but that's just my conjecture. After some incoherent statements he touches his chest and says 'my fault' then more incoherent statements - but to be honest that's all I can get from it. The CC picked up even less.

"The first negotiation (2009) we were against the blood tests. It was kind of our fault. The first time it didn't work, then we came to accepting that later on"

That's what he said.

[Anthony342]

Pacquaio didn't fight Floyd until he was past it either.

You're saying it counts for both fighters yet putting the onus on Floyd here, why?

In the first negotiations (2009) the fight fell through because Pacquaio turned down random drug testing. That's just a fact and Freddie Roach himself has admitted on camera that they were at fault for that first initial talks breaking down.

So let's stick to the facts here and not twist the narrative.

Because he did it more often in his career, as illustrated in billeau's post, which is why Floyd has the reputation as a cherry picker and Manny doesn't.