Best MW Champion since Marvin Hagler?

[billeau2]

Listing bigger names from previous years, or fighters they like or don't like from either generation.

I am not writing that one generation is better than another, just that an argument could be made as such. And that being the case, you could argue that not all top 10 wins are equal.

Great way to not step in that rabbit hole... There are people who were boxing fans when Hagler was plying his trade, and have watched triple G, etc. Its always funny that the assumption is these people will reflexively bias the older fighters... its never considered there might be reasons people hold such opinions... some of which cannot be understood by those who were not around.

For example, During the golden age when Tyson was knocking em dead, we had a rare situation in boxing fandom: You had trainers, fans that were around when Dempsey was fighting, who watched all the way up to Tyson... And trainers who had been around those days, were asked who the best heavyweight ever was: Dempsey came in first, Marciano second with Louis third... Im speaking strictly from that generation that had seen Dempsey on up...

I could not tell you why Dempsey, or Marciano was chosen... But I can say that the people who made this choice had seen all the men mentioned as champs, fight.

[billeau2]

So you would rank Golovkin above Toney, Dan?

[billeau2]

Betting against him is a safer bet because even if he wins, he'll never win with ease or in dominant fashion (Against a top level fighter)

Dan you hater lol... You just hate Toney and have no objectivity what so ever lol. What a fool.

[billeau2]

Micheal Nunn is one of the most overrated fighters I've ever seen in my life.

He has a small handful of decent wins in what was an incredibly lack luster career.

Golovkin would beat him up badly.

Yeah overated because... Toney beat him lol...Now tell us how Nunn was winning before the KO... etc... Lol, your a joke.

[billeau2]

The big deal is that I enjoyed it, and I felt he did a great job at what he was trying to do stylistically. Thats what I wrote from the beginning, maybe you are confusing me with someone else who felt something different.

You might as well be talking to a rock...Dan never stops... his hate for Toney is such, he will never acknowledge any point favorable to Toney... His pattern will be:

to repeat over and over again the same argument

Even after you show the fallicy of the argument he will not abate

he lives to come on to Toney threads and discredit Toney and no one is allowed to have any favorable opinions about Toney... Best to set limits with him lol. People can then go over the threads and see how ridiculous he is

[DeeMoney]

Great way to not step in that rabbit hole... There are people who were boxing fans when Hagler was plying his trade, and have watched triple G, etc. Its always funny that the assumption is these people will reflexively bias the older fighters... its never considered there might be reasons people hold such opinions... some of which cannot be understood by those who were not around.

For example, During the golden age when Tyson was knocking em dead, we had a rare situation in boxing fandom: You had trainers, fans that were around when Dempsey was fighting, who watched all the way up to Tyson... And trainers who had been around those days, were asked who the best heavyweight ever was: Dempsey came in first, Marciano second with Louis third... Im speaking strictly from that generation that had seen Dempsey on up...

I could not tell you why Dempsey, or Marciano was chosen... But I can say that the people who made this choice had seen all the men mentioned as champs, fight.

You noticed that?

Its something I've been working on a lot in all aspects of life.

[billeau2]

You noticed that?

Its something I've been working on a lot in all aspects of life.

We could all benefit from that process.

[QueensburyRules]

Hahaha, you're right, I think that when I read about Hopkins running out the back door when Toney came in the front, Toney might have already been at 168. I don't know, it's a ling time ago and I'm just bs' ing here anyway!

But, at 160-168-175 I'd still take Toney over Hopkins.

Thanks.

- - Nothing wrong with picking one over another fighter, but backing it up may be problematic.

160 was Popkins' best weight, but Toney has no best weight in spite of moving all the way to heavy, something Poppy could never do. Somewhere in the middle of that they could fight save they didn't because Toney was always too heavy.

Where's Boozo when we need him?

[IronDanHamza]

Head to head, id probably pick Toney. Hopkins could have had that fight but didn't seem to want it.

We’ll never know will we. I was talked about in 2003.

I can’t see any way Toney wins that fight. I’d expect close to a shut out.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah overated because... Toney beat him lol...Now tell us how Nunn was winning before the KO... etc... Lol, your a joke.

Nothing to do with Toney beating him it’s entirely to do with the fact his resume is dead average at best.

Nunn was winning before the KO. Winning widely. Are you trying to dispute that?

It’s irrelevant because Toney knocked him out.