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    #31
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

    - -Clearest example of a fighter being drugged by some kind of designer date **** drug the illicit drug industry specializes in.

    Also Brewster a low ranking DKIng fighter who got seriously beat up in every title defense save the Golota one.
    Sigh... you are an idiot.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

      Just to explore the possibility . . .

      1. What was the betting line going in; was there good money to be made with the loss?

      1a. Was there a sudden influx of betting money right before the fight. ***

      2. Did Wald change his people after the fight?

      3. Did Wald show, in both previous and subsequent fights a tendency in fade that quickly that badly?

      4. What type of reputation (ethically speaking) did the opposite corner's seconds hold?

      5. Where did the fight take place?

      6. Did Wald peopl's choose to force the issue before a judge?

      *** In '26 Dempsey went from a 4 to 1 favorite four days before to a 7 to 5 underdog at ring side all based on his sickly looking appearance at the afternoon weight-in. With much of the new money appearing from ***ish gangsters out of Phily, led by Abe Atell, which looked to be Rothstein's money he was throwing around. Late money is always a tell tale sign.
      - -Betting was suspended a week before the fight when a huge wad of wagers came in from the UK, so I was on full alert for monkey biz. My buddy was out of the fight biz and managing the small hotel I watched the fight in, so I doubt he knew about the suspension of betting. Brewster ended as 7-1 underdog probably at 15-1 before the wagers flooded in He'd grossly underperformed in previous fights.

      They fired Wlad's cut man, a well known icon in boxing whose name escapes me who rubbed down his legs with vaseline before the fight, mighty strange behavior I never heard of save Manny blamed himself for rubbing down Tommy's legs before the Leonard fight.

      Nobody can show where Wlad showed innate fatigue in any fight, but the usual Ginsbergs and Kerouacs like to make up nonsense, so count on it.

      Brewster was a King fighter, so they would've been King toadies.

      I've posted this before, to no avail for short attention span history experts, so here goes again-


      Lamon Brewster 226 lbs beat Wladimir Klitschko 243 lbs by TKO at 3:00 in round 5 of 12Notes



      • Lamon Brewster 29-2 (26 KOs) vs. Wladimir Klitschko 42-2 (39 KOs)
      • Klitschko was the #1 WBO heavyweight contender and Brewster was ranked #2.
      • The WBO title was vacated by Corrie Sanders, who relinquished the belt in order to fight Vitali Klitschko for the vacant WBC title.
      • Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into the hospital. The examination showed Wladimir's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm.
      • After returning from the examination to the hotel, Klitschko fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness.
      • On April 12, Wladimir arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. After that, Wladimir demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research. However, the tests disappeared.
      • Brewster dedicated his performance to his former trainer, Bill Slayton, who died the previous October.


      Ukrainian waved out in fifth round
      Associated Press, April 11, 2004

      LAS VEGAS -- Lamon Brewster put a stunning end to the heavyweight hopes of one half of the Klitschko brother team.

      Brewster came off the canvas Saturday night to land a pair of smashing left hooks to turn the fight around in the fifth round, then won in bizarre fashion after the bell sounded to end the round when referee Robert Byrd waved the fight to an end.

      Wladimir Klitschko, the 6-foot-6 Ukrainian who was dominating the fight when he got caught midway through the fifth round with the left hooks, was knocked out for the second time in his last four fights. He was taken to a hospital for a precautionary brain scan on the advice of ring doctor Margaret Goodman.

      "It was kill or be killed," said Brewster, who was fighting for the first time in 13 months and was a 7-1 underdog on the day of the fight.

      Brewster won the fringe WBO title and put himself in the heavyweight picture, while Klitschko might have to think about whether he will continue to fight. Klitschko's trainer said last month he would advise him to retire if he lost again.

      Klitschko's brother, Vitali, was in the corner watching Wladimir dominate until the fateful fifth round. Vitali fights Corrie Sanders for the WBC heavyweight title in two weeks.

      Byrd stopped the fight after Klitschko had gone down following an exchange with Brewster that lasted after the bell. Klitschko stumbled into the center of the ring and went down, but it wasn't ruled a knockdown because the bell had already sounded.

      Klitschko, though, had trouble getting up, getting to his knees and then haltingly to his feet. Byrd stopped the fight as Klitschko stumbled to his corner, giving Brewster the win by TKO at 3:00 of the fifth round.

      "He couldn't take care of himself," Byrd said. "I tried to get a response out of him but there was none. I've never stopped a fight like that before."

      Klitschko was winning the fight easily with his punishing left jab and knocked Brewster to the canvas in the fourth round with a vicious right hand. He appeared close to being able to stop Brewster, but Brewster managed to get through the round, with both fighters falling on the canvas after tangling in Brewster's corner at the end of the round.

      Midway through the fifth round, Brewster landed the left hooks that changed the fight. Klitschko was hurt and went into the ropes, where Byrd ruled a knockdown. Brewster went back after him and had him hurt when the bell sounded, and then Klitschko went down again.

      "I know he's a tough guy. I know he can punch," Brewster said. "But what I wanted to do was show Americans don't lay down."

      Brewster said he wouldn't be denied, and thought Klitschko's chin was suspect after being knocked out by Sanders last year in Germany.

      "I knew he would get tired, he'd either get tired of hitting me or get tired of me coming forward and putting pressure to his face," Brewster said. [1]


      Says mysterious circumstances surround loss
      Associated Press, May 5, 2004

      LAS VEGAS -- An attorney for heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko has asked for a federal investigation of his loss last month to Lamon Brewster.

      Judd Burstein sent the U.S. Attorney's office in Las Vegas a letter asking for the probe, citing what he said were mysterious circumstances surrounding the fight.

      Burstein claimed in the letter that Klitschko's blood and urine samples taken after the fight were missing, and said it was su****ious that the odds favoring Klitschko dropped dramatically before the fight.

      Klitschko was winning the April 10 fight handily before Brewster knocked him out in the fifth round. He later said he felt drugged after the opening round.

      Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Marc Ratner said nothing abnormal happened before, during or after the fight.

      "We were so concerned that night that we sent him to the trauma unit instead of the emergency room with a neurosurgeon in the ambulance," Ratner said. "He took all the appropriate tests, both urine and blood. There was nothing in those tests irregular or remarkable."


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        #33
        Originally posted by Tatabanya

        I see what you mean, especially in regard to Maskaev. I would not put Klitschko in the same bracket, though.

        Klitschko never suffered back to back batterings, in reality. If you refer to his knockout losses vs Sanders and Brewster, he had two won fights between them. Then again, the Sanders loss was a quick two-round blowout, whereas Wlad lost against Brewster for sudden exhaustion in a fight he was winning.

        But Wilder has been beaten like a drum for at least fifteen rounds in his last two fights. Furthermore, his physical structure is rather weak compared to the other names you mentioned. He does hit hard, but seems to absorb blows much worse than the average heavyweight.
        Remember Klitschko nearly got derailed by Sam Peter and also got dropped by Williamson. It was a long rebuild process.

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          #34
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules

          - -Betting was suspended a week before the fight when a huge wad of wagers came in from the UK, so I was on full alert for monkey biz. My buddy was out of the fight biz and managing the small hotel I watched the fight in, so I doubt he knew about the suspension of betting. Brewster ended as 7-1 underdog probably at 15-1 before the wagers flooded in He'd grossly underperformed in previous fights.

          They fired Wlad's cut man, a well known icon in boxing whose name escapes me who rubbed down his legs with vaseline before the fight, mighty strange behavior I never heard of save Manny blamed himself for rubbing down Tommy's legs before the Leonard fight.

          Nobody can show where Wlad showed innate fatigue in any fight, but the usual Ginsbergs and Kerouacs like to make up nonsense, so count on it.

          Brewster was a King fighter, so they would've been King toadies.

          I've posted this before, to no avail for short attention span history experts, so here goes again-


          Lamon Brewster 226 lbs beat Wladimir Klitschko 243 lbs by TKO at 3:00 in round 5 of 12Notes


          • Lamon Brewster 29-2 (26 KOs) vs. Wladimir Klitschko 42-2 (39 KOs)
          • Klitschko was the #1 WBO heavyweight contender and Brewster was ranked #2.
          • The WBO title was vacated by Corrie Sanders, who relinquished the belt in order to fight Vitali Klitschko for the vacant WBC title.
          • Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into the hospital. The examination showed Wladimir's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm.
          • After returning from the examination to the hotel, Klitschko fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness.
          • On April 12, Wladimir arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. After that, Wladimir demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research. However, the tests disappeared.
          • Brewster dedicated his performance to his former trainer, Bill Slayton, who died the previous October.


          Ukrainian waved out in fifth round
          Associated Press, April 11, 2004

          LAS VEGAS -- Lamon Brewster put a stunning end to the heavyweight hopes of one half of the Klitschko brother team.

          Brewster came off the canvas Saturday night to land a pair of smashing left hooks to turn the fight around in the fifth round, then won in bizarre fashion after the bell sounded to end the round when referee Robert Byrd waved the fight to an end.

          Wladimir Klitschko, the 6-foot-6 Ukrainian who was dominating the fight when he got caught midway through the fifth round with the left hooks, was knocked out for the second time in his last four fights. He was taken to a hospital for a precautionary brain scan on the advice of ring doctor Margaret Goodman.

          "It was kill or be killed," said Brewster, who was fighting for the first time in 13 months and was a 7-1 underdog on the day of the fight.

          Brewster won the fringe WBO title and put himself in the heavyweight picture, while Klitschko might have to think about whether he will continue to fight. Klitschko's trainer said last month he would advise him to retire if he lost again.

          Klitschko's brother, Vitali, was in the corner watching Wladimir dominate until the fateful fifth round. Vitali fights Corrie Sanders for the WBC heavyweight title in two weeks.

          Byrd stopped the fight after Klitschko had gone down following an exchange with Brewster that lasted after the bell. Klitschko stumbled into the center of the ring and went down, but it wasn't ruled a knockdown because the bell had already sounded.

          Klitschko, though, had trouble getting up, getting to his knees and then haltingly to his feet. Byrd stopped the fight as Klitschko stumbled to his corner, giving Brewster the win by TKO at 3:00 of the fifth round.

          "He couldn't take care of himself," Byrd said. "I tried to get a response out of him but there was none. I've never stopped a fight like that before."

          Klitschko was winning the fight easily with his punishing left jab and knocked Brewster to the canvas in the fourth round with a vicious right hand. He appeared close to being able to stop Brewster, but Brewster managed to get through the round, with both fighters falling on the canvas after tangling in Brewster's corner at the end of the round.

          Midway through the fifth round, Brewster landed the left hooks that changed the fight. Klitschko was hurt and went into the ropes, where Byrd ruled a knockdown. Brewster went back after him and had him hurt when the bell sounded, and then Klitschko went down again.

          "I know he's a tough guy. I know he can punch," Brewster said. "But what I wanted to do was show Americans don't lay down."

          Brewster said he wouldn't be denied, and thought Klitschko's chin was suspect after being knocked out by Sanders last year in Germany.

          "I knew he would get tired, he'd either get tired of hitting me or get tired of me coming forward and putting pressure to his face," Brewster said. [1]


          Says mysterious circumstances surround loss
          Associated Press, May 5, 2004

          LAS VEGAS -- An attorney for heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko has asked for a federal investigation of his loss last month to Lamon Brewster.

          Judd Burstein sent the U.S. Attorney's office in Las Vegas a letter asking for the probe, citing what he said were mysterious circumstances surrounding the fight.

          Burstein claimed in the letter that Klitschko's blood and urine samples taken after the fight were missing, and said it was su****ious that the odds favoring Klitschko dropped dramatically before the fight.

          Klitschko was winning the April 10 fight handily before Brewster knocked him out in the fifth round. He later said he felt drugged after the opening round.

          Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Marc Ratner said nothing abnormal happened before, during or after the fight.

          "We were so concerned that night that we sent him to the trauma unit instead of the emergency room with a neurosurgeon in the ambulance," Ratner said. "He took all the appropriate tests, both urine and blood. There was nothing in those tests irregular or remarkable."

          Interesting ! Suspending the ******** a week before the fight is quite odd. Was there ever an 'official' explanation offered by the Sport Book Casinos as to why they suspended the betting?

          Also I never saw a fighter act in the manner Wald did after being KD. It was a very strange behavior but who knows how one will react from a concussion.

          A DIGRESSION: This is off topic but I believe (and could be wrong) that the rubbing down.of Hearns' legs took place before the Hagler fight. It wasn't Steward who rubbed Hearns' legs but a different trainer. When Steward walked into the dressing room and saw what was going on he put a stop to it. Steward would later state that just before walking to the ring Tommy turned to him and said I feel tired. Steward then thought to himself 'oh boy this is not good.' Blaming Hearns' sense of fatigue to the rub down. A good rub down will make anyone feel very relaxed, not a feeling you want to induce before a fight.

          At least that's the way I remember it but I could very well have mixed up the fights and it may have been the Leonard fight. But I am pretty certain it wasn't Steward who did the rub down.

          Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 10-13-2021, 03:51 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

            Interesting ! Suspending the ******** a week before the fight is quite odd. Was there ever an 'official' explanation offered by the Sport Book Casinos as to why they suspended the betting?

            Also I never saw a fighter act in the manner Wald did after being KD. It was a very strange behavior but who knows how one will react from a concussion.

            A DIGRESSION: This is off topic but I believe (and could be wrong) that the rubbing down.of Hearns' legs took place before the Hagler fight. It wasn't Steward who rubbed Hearns' legs but a different trainer. When Steward walked into the dressing room and saw what was going on he put a stop to it. Steward would later state that just before walking to the ring Tommy turned to him and said I feel tired. Steward then thought to himself 'oh boy this is not good.' Blaming Hearns' sense of fatigue to the rub down. A good rub down will make anyone feel very relaxed, not a feeling you want to induce before a fight.

            At least that's the way I remember it but I could very well have mixed up the fights and it may have been the Leonard fight. But I am pretty certain it wasn't Steward who did the rub down.
            Betting was not suspended in this fight. There was late money on Brewster ( much from friends of his manager) that changed the odds. I would ask for a link to reputable source to the betting being suspended. You won't get one.

            I've provided links on many occasions to doctors saying Wlad was not poisoned. When I have a few minutes ill dig the up and post again.

            Boxrec is not a legitimate source and has been proven to provide false information many times. It is a good research tool on finding fights, but that is all. Queenies long argument was copied and pasted from there. He'll provided no legitimate links.

            Watching the fight, Wladimir went balls to the walls all out trying to stop Lamon early. He ran out of gas and was stopped. This happened when he list his first fight as well, just not as early.

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              #36
              Here is a link to an article by respected boxing writer and historian George Kimball on this very topic.

              https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of...ust-taste-sour
              Last edited by JAB5239; 10-13-2021, 08:20 AM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                Interesting ! Suspending the ******** a week before the fight is quite odd. Was there ever an 'official' explanation offered by the Sport Book Casinos as to why they suspended the betting?

                Also I never saw a fighter act in the manner Wald did after being KD. It was a very strange behavior but who knows how one will react from a concussion.

                A DIGRESSION: This is off topic but I believe (and could be wrong) that the rubbing down.of Hearns' legs took place before the Hagler fight. It wasn't Steward who rubbed Hearns' legs but a different trainer. When Steward walked into the dressing room and saw what was going on he put a stop to it. Steward would later state that just before walking to the ring Tommy turned to him and said I feel tired. Steward then thought to himself 'oh boy this is not good.' Blaming Hearns' sense of fatigue to the rub down. A good rub down will make anyone feel very relaxed, not a feeling you want to induce before a fight.

                At least that's the way I remember it but I could very well have mixed up the fights and it may have been the Leonard fight. But I am pretty certain it wasn't Steward who did the rub down.
                - -No matter the Steward rub, Hearns was weak and overtrained at 145 for Leonard.

                Brewster never landed a KD quality blow. He threw a wild flurry at the end of the 5th round as Wlad was bouncing off the ropes after mysteriously unable to hold his hands up. Might have glanced off the top of his noggin, but listen up-

                Round before Wlad scores his second clean KD on Brewster who falling forward has enough presence to wrap up Wlad's ankle in a tackle. The always regrettable Byrd blew that call, but had to help Wlad up in spite of Brewster not landing a punch.

                And I told you the reason for the betting suspension.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                  - -No matter the Steward rub, Hearns was weak and overtrained at 145 for Leonard.

                  Brewster never landed a KD quality blow. He threw a wild flurry at the end of the 5th round as Wlad was bouncing off the ropes after mysteriously unable to hold his hands up. Might have glanced off the top of his noggin, but listen up-

                  Round before Wlad scores his second clean KD on Brewster who falling forward has enough presence to wrap up Wlad's ankle in a tackle. The always regrettable Byrd blew that call, but had to help Wlad up in spite of Brewster not landing a punch.

                  And I told you the reason for the betting suspension.
                  BS. Brewster had landed clean and Wlad was gassed. Hooked like he did at the end of the Purrity fight, except Purrity wasn't landing clean and he still stopped.

                  A link for the betting being shutdown please.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by JAB5239
                    Here is a link to an article by respected boxing writer and historian George Kimball on this very topic.

                    https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of...ust-taste-sour
                    Queenie looked and saw the funny print, the hypertext... and like Scrooge first gazed at Christmas Spirit said "A link? Why have I never seem the likes of it?"

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by billeau2

                      Queenie looked and saw the funny print, the hypertext... and like Scrooge first gazed at Christmas Spirit said "A link? Why have I never seem the likes of it?"
                      ..........

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