Tonight's Fight: What 'we' think.

[Willie Pep 229]

All the 'experts' over on NSB have made their predictions known (with one guy claiming he has a million dollars bet on Wilder LOL). I was wondering what 'we' think?

Historically speaking conventional wisdom says that when a fighter (championship level) KOs an opponent, and there is an immediate rematch, he will usually win easier the next time around.

There are of course exceptions but there are many precedents out there: Marciano-Walcott; Monzon-Benvenuti; Holyfield-Tyson.

History seems to say bet on Fury; what do you all think?

There's no doubt in my mind that we know the game better than the NSB boys (I'm sure they would disagree.)

I re-watched Fury-Wilder II last night and truth be told I don't think much of either of their skills. Most of the fight was grabbing and wrestling; IMO neither showed much finesse, with both throwing wide, clubbing punches.

P.S. Of course Lewis is a double exception, but both of those fights were one punch come from behind victories from fighters who were being beaten.

My prediction, based purely on historical precdent, is Fury by TKO in five.

[Tatabanya]

I, too, picked Fury early according to my residual boxing wisdom.

But I placed my money on Wilder by KO soon. Not only because it pays great; also because Fury has been hit twice by Wilder in the first fight, and as we all know survived by a miracle.

What happens if that right catches Fury cold, or overconfident?

Having said that, Fury within the first half is my "logical" pick.

PS Perhaps I should discard boxing wisdom in favor of betting wisdom

[Willie Pep 229]

I, too, picked Fury early according to my residual boxing wisdom.

But I placed my money on Wilder by KO soon. Not only because it pays great; also because Fury has been hit twice by Wilder in the first fight, and as we all know survived by a miracle.

What happens if that right catches Fury cold, or overconfident?

Having said that, Fury within the first half is my "logical" pick.

PS Perhaps I should discard boxing wisdom in favor of betting wisdom

This fight does seem such a 'pick um' that a bet either way seems paradoxically both wise and foolish. I agree if you are going to put down money might as well go with the odds.

[QueensburyRules]

- -How badly was Fury hurt by his Corona infection? Asymptomatic, or down for a count with ringing ears and tasteless taste buds?

Shhhhhh, noone should know...NOONE!

Face it, this is the B-team squad. A-team has a rematch coming up soon enough to solidify the heavy division.

[JAB5239]

Fury by decision, but I'm hoping Wilder by knockout.

[billeau2]

All the 'experts' over on NSB have made their predictions known (with one guy claiming he has a million dollars bet on Wilder LOL). I was wondering what 'we' think?

Historically speaking conventional wisdom says that when a fighter (championship level) KOs an opponent, and there is an immediate rematch, he will usually win easier the next time around.

There are of course exceptions but there are many precedents out there: Marciano-Walcott; Monzon-Benvenuti; Holyfield-Tyson.

History seems to say bet on Fury; what do you all think?

There's no doubt in my mind that we know the game better than the NSB boys (I'm sure they would disagree.)

I re-watched Fury-Wilder II last night and truth be told I don't think much of either of their skills. Most of the fight was grabbing and wrestling; IMO neither showed much finesse, with both throwing wide, clubbing punches.

P.S. Of course Lewis is a double exception, but both of those fights were one punch come from behind victories from fighters who were being beaten.

My prediction, based purely on historical precdent, is Fury by TKO in five.

Well usually the board as a consensus gets it right... Usyk was an exception. The smart money is definitely on Fury. I don't like Fury's weight, but I do think he still takes it. Is Wilder a live dog? Well yeah... He has packed on more muscle, wears it well, looks fast and light... heres how I look at the fight dispasionately regarding Wilder. He will imo benefit from the heft and will therefore punch harder...If we take a scale of at his worse to his best...He will at least get a few bites at the apple...in other words Fury will get hit at least 3 times (my count) with a decent punch from a premier puncher. So this fight could be another upset.

I don't like Fury's heft... He needed to try to cut into that magic number (3) of opportunities afforded to Wilder and he didn't. Can he offset these chances with his own aggression? Holyfield did it to Tyson...Even Holly got caught good the first round.

Fury will probably win this, but its a dangerous fight. Unless we are underestimating Wilder and Fury... Because if either guy is that good

a. Wilder will get at least 3 good shots on Fury... If Fury can stop those then the fight is no risk to him. I like the Fury that fought Klitsko here
b. Fury will nullify Wilder completely which I seriously doubt. But if he can really get rid of Wilder and give him no opportunities then he is really that good. I love Fury's style but I doubt it.

Were probably going to get a fight with some moments for Wilder. Wilder will probaby do better than people think, if they know what to really look for. Wilder has no interest, or intention of winning rounds. It just does not matter. His efforts are wholly devoted to the KO and to me if he gets more than 3 opportunities we will get the chance for an upset. If he catched Fury 5 times for example, I think he wins this.

[Shadoww702]

Wilder coming in a career high made me put money on Fury.

[billeau2]

I, too, picked Fury early according to my residual boxing wisdom.

But I placed my money on Wilder by KO soon. Not only because it pays great; also because Fury has been hit twice by Wilder in the first fight, and as we all know survived by a miracle.

What happens if that right catches Fury cold, or overconfident?

Having said that, Fury within the first half is my "logical" pick.

PS Perhaps I should discard boxing wisdom in favor of betting wisdom

A very intelligent response. Its a good bet, and the odds are tightening, so if you get Wilder at something ****** like -300 thats a good value. Fury came in heavy imo. I stopped betting on boxing because I got sick of bad decisions ruining my bets... Its one thing to see your guy win and ****** judges get it wrong, its another to also lose money on it. Its just too frustrating for me.

I had Usyk and wanted badly to bet but I just knew the judges would corrupt the decision... I am glad they did not, but it will be a long time before I bet on a sport where I am not only depending on my rationality, instincts, etc... but also that some corrupt burocratic can handicap me.

[QueensburyRules]

I stopped betting on boxing because I got sick of bad decisions ruining my bets... Its one thing to see your guy win and ****** judges get it wrong, its another to also lose money on it. Its just too frustrating for me.

I had Usyk and wanted badly to bet but I just knew the judges would corrupt the decision... I am glad they did not, but it will be a long time before I bet on a sport where I am not only depending on my rationality, instincts, etc... but also that some corrupt burocratic can handicap me.

- -The stirrings of hereto untapped intelligence?

Handicapped by some corrupt burocratic?

Priceless beyond the odds of probability!

[The Old LefHook]

It will do a man good to see either braggart stretched out cold, piss dribbling from the corner of his trunks. Phony is much better for the banquet circuit. Walter is too dumb to be entertaining. Can you imagine attending any speech of his?

Scott is going to look like a genius or the world's biggest churl.

The longer forearms and superior adaptability of the limey are likely to prevail. In case not, we might as well see these guys finish their careers against each other in fourth and fifth fights, or even sixth, since Joshua is a proven scrub mired in his own feedback loop of contractual rematch clauses.