Lets have some fun with Buster Douglas... The night he fought Tyson, how hard would he be to beat?

[QueensburyRules]

Right. The whole fighting for his late mother thing seems romanticized. Losing a loved one is a highly traumatic event(as evidenced by Douglas being interviewed about his mom many years later and still being in tears.) I just can't imagine an event like that motivating you and giving you the surge of your life. If anything it's an emotionally and physically draining time.

I still think that although he showed heart, the biggest test would have been Douglas having to survive right after that knockdown instead of the round ending and giving him a break.

- -Buster's biggest break was Mike on Zoloft, a walking face forward zombie in that fight from the first bell.

He took more punishment that first round than he took in the totality of his career at that point.

[JAB5239]

- -14 sec ain' 10 seconds and U 98 cents short of a dollar...

A fighters job when knocked down is to follow the refs count, nothing else. Douglas did that and looked as if he could have gotten up at anytime he wanted. Is anything I said here false?

[billeau2]

- -14 sec ain' 10 seconds and U 98 cents short of a dollar...

Sigh... you are an idiot.

[QueensburyRules]

A fighters job when knocked down is to follow the refs count, nothing else. Douglas did that and looked as if he could have gotten up at anytime he wanted. Is anything I said here false?

- -The ref's job is to deliver a legitimate 10 count based on a 10 sec standard that the timekeeper keeps.

I have no issue with Buster trying to clear his cobwebs following the ref's count, but U poor dears are often too grrrly hysterical to follow essential facts and logical conclusions.

See the farce of Ali/Liston 2 when Nat who was not an official stops the count the fight by calling over Jersey Joe to inform him Liston had been on the canvas for over 10 sec. But of course Ali who almost never respected the neutral corner rule had to fight with Walcott who as an ol'man has to wrestle him to the corner so he can start the count. By the time the farce officially ended when JJ waved it off, prob something like 30 sec had passed with the Liston already up and fighting Ali who clearly should've been DQed.

But, as boxing proves time and time again, commishes and officials simply ain't smart enough to follow their own rules that makes it quite convenient for officials and insiders to clear tasty winnings on the result because most fans are even ******er than stooopid after all the smart ones fled boxing for other sports.

[JAB5239]

- -The ref's job is to deliver a legitimate 10 count based on a 10 sec standard that the timekeeper keeps.

I have no issue with Buster trying to clear his cobwebs following the ref's count, but U poor dears are often too grrrly hysterical to follow essential facts and logical conclusions.

See the farce of Ali/Liston 2 when Nat who was not an official stops the count the fight by calling over Jersey Joe to inform him Liston had been on the canvas for over 10 sec. But of course Ali who almost never respected the neutral corner rule had to fight with Walcott who as an ol'man has to wrestle him to the corner so he can start the count. By the time the farce officially ended when JJ waved it off, prob something like 30 sec had passed with the Liston already up and fighting Ali who clearly should've been DQed.

But, as boxing proves time and time again, commishes and officials simply ain't smart enough to follow their own rules that makes it quite convenient for officials and insiders to clear tasty winnings on the result because most fans are even ******er than stooopid after all the smart ones fled boxing for other sports.

As usual you make no sense. First you're saying Buster should have been counted out, and than you're saying Ali should have been disqualified. Douglas looked as if he could clearly beat the count. This shouldn't even be a debate. He followed the refs count as he was supposed to. There was no fix or anything else, just a lot excitement.

Ali should have been disqualified? On what grounds? Liston Was down by my estimate for a 12 count. Ali was excited and didn't go to a neutral corner. This on itself is not grounds for disqualification. He hadn't even been issued a warning. Walcott bungled the handling of that situation, but unlike Douglas, Liston didn't appear as if he could get up before the point he actually did. On the flip side, unlike Douglas he also had no count to follow. He should have been allowed to continue in my opinion, but Ali should not have been disqualified as you've suggested nor should Douglas have lost. Boxing isn't like running a 100 meter dash. It not so cut and dry. You though seem as if you want to push your own agenda in whichever direction you see fit without looking at the whole picture.

[QueensburyRules]

As usual you make no sense. First you're saying Buster should have been counted out, and than you're saying Ali should have been disqualified. Douglas looked as if he could clearly beat the count. This shouldn't even be a debate. He followed the refs count as he was supposed to. There was no fix or anything else, just a lot excitement.

Ali should have been disqualified? On what grounds? Liston Was down by my estimate for a 12 count. Ali was excited and didn't go to a neutral corner. This on itself is not grounds for disqualification. He hadn't even been issued a warning. Walcott bungled the handling of that situation, but unlike Douglas, Liston didn't appear as if he could get up before the point he actually did. On the flip side, unlike Douglas he also had no count to follow. He should have been allowed to continue in my opinion, but Ali should not have been disqualified as you've suggested nor should Douglas have lost. Boxing isn't like running a 100 meter dash. It not so cut and dry. You though seem as if you want to push your own agenda in whichever direction you see fit without looking at the whole picture.

- -Trying to kick Liston in the noggin while fighting with Joe while refusing the neutral corner rule the proverbial Trifecta DQ.

Get your minder to explain this to U, the ref should've given Buster a proper 10 count. He didn't. so we didn't get to see what Buster could've done with a proper count. That became The Issue in the post fight recriminations. Ref retired to Mexico for a few inconsequential bouts before Adios suckers.

[JAB5239]

- -Trying to kick Liston in the noggin while fighting with Joe while refusing the neutral corner rule the proverbial Trifecta DQ.

Get your minder to explain this to U, the ref should've given Buster a proper 10 count. He didn't. so we didn't get to see what Buster could've done with a proper count. That became The Issue in the post fight recriminations. Ref retired to Mexico for a few inconsequential bouts before Adios suckers.

Wow, your rum soaked brain really need to re-watch that fight and tell me when Ali was ever trying to kick Liston.

[GhostofDempsey]

Tyson was ripe for the plucking that night. Mentally he wasn't there. He had the **** allegations hanging over his head, surrounded himself with the wrong people, and his life was just a contorted mess. It was a great win for Douglas, but he was also in the right place at the right time. I don't see Douglas beating any of the three on your list.

[Tatabanya]

Tyson was ripe for the plucking that night. Mentally he wasn't there. He had the **** allegations hanging over his head, surrounded himself with the wrong people, and his life was just a contorted mess. It was a great win for Douglas, but he was also in the right place at the right time. I don't see Douglas beating any of the three on your list.

All absolutely correct except what highlighted. Tyson's **** case began in July 1991, when Desiree Washington filed her report against him.

That period sticks in my mind because it deprived boxing history of a much better version of Tyson vs Holyfield, scheduled in that same year and vanished after Tyson's conviction.

[GhostofDempsey]

All absolutely correct except what highlighted. Tyson's **** case began in July 1991, when Desiree Washington filed her report against him.

That period sticks in my mind because it deprived boxing history of a much better version of Tyson vs Holyfield, scheduled in that same year and vanished after Tyson's conviction.

Three months prior to the Douglas fight, Bill Cosby's daughter accused him of ****. He was ordered to seek psychiatric care for a year.