Lets have some fun with Buster Douglas... The night he fought Tyson, how hard would he be to beat?

[QueensburyRules]

I would be curious to know what the prediabetic symptoms were that you are referring to.

Buster's dad, Billy Douglas, stated to the Chicago Tribune that diabetes took James by surprise, and that it was not a disease he had ever known to have. Read the article below, especially the final part with Ron Katz's recollections of Buster's physical appearance post-Holyfield.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...199-story.html

Mathis is comparable to Douglas only in that both gained a lot of weight after their high-level careers were over.

Frazier was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes (which is an entirely different type of disease than the type 1 that Buster Douglas had) as a result of his liver cancer. He had never suffered from diabetes before.

So?

If you know different details, please share.

- -OK, dealing with a noob in the history section of all places is it?

The two Busters well snickered in their day for their less than svelte physiologies in their primes in spite off being able to go rounds at a high pace. Both had to take time off from boxing where they blew up further before coming back. Mathias succumbed to this world prematurely, but thanks to medical advances Douglas is still with us.

Diabetes is diabetes no matter the "Type." Joe suffered from high blood pressure before the first Ali fight, a typical prediabetic indicator. Combined with being blind in one eye, it was a miracle he was able to compete at such a high level, but he also kicked off relatively premature compared to the mortality rates of his generation.

What U excuse?

[Tatabanya]

- -OK, dealing with a noob in the history section of all places is it?

The two Busters well snickered in their day for their less than svelte physiologies in their primes in spite off being able to go rounds at a high pace. Both had to take time off from boxing where they blew up further before coming back. Mathias succumbed to this world prematurely, but thanks to medical advances Douglas is still with us.

Diabetes is diabetes no matter the "Type." Joe suffered from high blood pressure before the first Ali fight, a typical prediabetic indicator. Combined with being blind in one eye, it was a miracle he was able to compete at such a high level, but he also kicked off relatively premature compared to the mortality rates of his generation.

What U excuse?

No excuses from me, I stick to facts and what I do know about these guys is enough for me. You thought I was waiting for your approval?

Good try anyhow. What I do take from your response is that you may know a bit of boxing, but definitely are quite ignorant about diabetes.

BTW Mathis died in 1995, diabetes care was already rather advanced at that time. But if you keep eating shìt, there's not much one can do.

[QueensburyRules]

No excuses from me, I stick to facts and what I do know about these guys is enough for me. You thought I was waiting for your approval?

Good try anyhow. What I do take from your response is that you may know a bit of boxing, but definitely are quite ignorant about diabetes.

BTW Mathis died in 1995, diabetes care was already rather advanced at that time. But if you keep eating shìt, there's not much one can do.

- -What U knowed in 95 might fill U potty mouth, but otherwise U busted on their timelines.

[Tatabanya]

- -What U knowed in 95 might fill U potty mouth, but otherwise U busted on their timelines.

Yes, keep your own world of fantasy running mate. It's fine with me.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, keep your own world of fantasy running mate. It's fine with me.

- -No fantasy that both Busters were supersized, big boned heavywts with weight problems then. And both Busters very good boxers as well as contenders with decent power. One won the title, the other put up a good fight in losing his challenge.

Those weights wouldn't be a prob now that heavies are ok with packing on extra pounds. Two fatboys, one well past his prime set the all time heavy punch stat record last year...your welcome...

[Tatabanya]

- -No fantasy that both Busters were supersized, big boned heavywts with weight problems then. And both Busters very good boxers as well as contenders with decent power. One won the title, the other put up a good fight in losing his challenge.

Those weights wouldn't be a prob now that heavies are ok with packing on extra pounds. Two fatboys, one well past his prime set the all time heavy punch stat record last year...your welcome...

I'm not questioning the fact that blubbery fighters can still fight. Just look at Andy Ruiz Jr.

My original point was Douglas being mentally weak in spite of almost beating Tucker and schooling an undertrained quasi-prime Tyson. Buster himself admitted time and again that he mentally shut down after he won the title. Was it for his mum's death? Was it for his overall temperament? He just showed up against Holyfield but didn't perform, then said goodbye and almost died due to diabetes.

But he was a good, technically skilled fighter, I do agree with you on that. I happen to think that he would lose against all three names mentioned at the beginning of the thread, in their primes of course. I may change my mind regarding Klitschko perhaps, but I doubt that Buster would be able to absorb even a single sledgehammer right by Wlad without shutting down shop.

[JAB5239]

- -Tyson after getting the tarballs knocked out of him did nail Buster to the canvas for the Jack Dempsey Long Count, 14 sec. Ref too ****** to know how to count and the rest ****** history repeated again and again up to this very day. Boxing, go figure because nobody else can hence fans fleeing in droves...

The count was no fault of Douglas who looked to be able to get up at any point of it. Basically what you're saying is irrelevant, as usual.

[BKM-]

Buster on that fight was special, sometimes in life you have your moments, Buster lost the person closest to him, it hit him in a strange way, he had no fear, and fighting was the only thing that would get him through what he was feeling. You'd have had to nail him to the canvas to stop him, and he was running on emotions that aren't normal even amongst fighters.

So to answer the question, very difficult to beat, very.

Right. The whole fighting for his late mother thing seems romanticized. Losing a loved one is a highly traumatic event(as evidenced by Douglas being interviewed about his mom many years later and still being in tears.) I just can't imagine an event like that motivating you and giving you the surge of your life. If anything it's an emotionally and physically draining time.

I still think that although he showed heart, the biggest test would have been Douglas having to survive right after that knockdown instead of the round ending and giving him a break.

[JAB5239]

Right. The whole fighting for his late mother thing seems romanticized. Losing a loved one is a highly traumatic event(as evidenced by Douglas being interviewed about his mom many years later and still being in tears.) I just can't imagine an event like that motivating you and giving you the surge of your life. If anything it's an emotionally and physically draining time.

I still think that although he showed heart, the biggest test would have been Douglas having to survive right after that knockdown instead of the round ending and giving him a break.

I would respectfully disagree with this. My mother passed away in December wanting to see me fight one more time as I had started training again about a year ago. I used that as motivation and was more focused and trained harder than I had in 25 years. I of course am not nor have I ever been on the same level as a world class fighter. But I know the difference between focused and motivated than unfocused and not as motivated. I was asked to fight a few weeks after my fight in August but we passed do to how close it was to the last fight and the wear and tear on my body from fight camp (I am 52) and just pulled out of a fight on October 23rd because of hand and shoulder problems. That said, I wasn't as zoned in on my training as I had been. After my fight I even shed tears in the ring and felt a sense of relief and closure. So I do think grief can be a huge motivating factor. Was it for Buster? I can only speak with any surety for myself.

[QueensburyRules]

The count was no fault of Douglas who looked to be able to get up at any point of it. Basically what you're saying is irrelevant, as usual.

- -14 sec ain' 10 seconds and U 98 cents short of a dollar...