Roy Jones, Jr: The best ever at 175 lbs

[billeau2]

He dominated Toney and Hopkins and ran roughshod through the LHW division.

He did dominate Toney, he beat a green Hopkins. Problem is, what great Light heavies did he beat? Virgil Hill (decent fighter) a past it McCallum (great fighter)... He lost once to Tarver, then lost to lesser opponents. Imnot going to mention Montell... For the sake of argument lets say he beat Montell without the first fight... So with that said:

Jones beat two light heavies that were outstanding: Montell G and a past it McCallum. Lets say Tarver got at Roy late...Tarver is a workmanlike fighter, decent, not exceptional.

With all that said: Jones was impressive at super middle but ordinary at light heavy with the exception of beating Griffin who I think was an outstanding light heavy. Thats discounting the first fight where Montell showed some cracks in the super Roy facade.

jones was outstanding...I don't share the opinion that he losses to all the fighters considered great light heavies... But against a guy like Spinks who can box as well as Griffin, and even michael Moore...Much less if we pull out fighters like Tunney who had great athletic ability at light heavy,could beat heavies, etc... I don't know unc, thats a hard sell imo.

[IronDanHamza]

So what? David Tiberi dominated Toney.. - I thought this conversation was about 175. The Toney fight was at 160 not 175 - Also at 160 he decisioned Hopkins in a stinker - at 168 he lost to Hopkins .

Just don't see what impresses RJJ fans - great steroid body I get that- but turned out to be a second shelf fighter with a dimple in his chin.

Toney fight wasn’t at 160.

Hopkins 2 wasn’t at 168 either.

You don’t see what’s impressive about Roy Jones…Please, what impresses about Willie Pastrano???? Please do tell

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

If you go off purely the eye test then yes, possibly the best 175 lb’er ever, but in terms of accolades no. Was never fully undisputed or lineal.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Toney fight wasn’t at 160.

Hopkins 2 wasn’t at 168 either.

You don’t see what’s impressive about Roy Jones…Please, what impresses about Willie Pastrano???? Please do tell

I’m convinced this Willie Pep poster is a fraud in all honesty. He’s what I describe as a “Google historian”.

Willie Pastrano beating a prime Roy Jones. FFS man that’s a real awful take.

[elfag]

stylewise we seen that good pressure bothers him.

idk if there is anyone out there though that could beat him in his prime. maybe win some rounds like hopkins did but not beat him. he was just too fast and mobile, plus his punches were dangerous, he had good power to go with his speed, guys had to be cautious at all times with him.

[elfag]

roys weakness was being pressured to the ropes, he lost rounds vs hopkins doing this. young hopkins threw a lot more than hold hopkins and could apply effective pressure. Toney was going to always be at a disadvantage against roy, whether he was weight drained or not. he likes to counter, even when he puts a huge output he is countering and roy is too fast to counter consistently.

look when roy finally was getting ran over, he lost his timing and they werent afraid of his power. glen johnson - pressure fighter. tarver - inside punch and roy is bad at the inside, him at cruiser the guys just pressed him to the ropes and werent concerned with his power. These weaknesses went back to the Hopkins fight but in that case it just dropped him a few rounds, he had his reflexes there and hopkins had a hell of a time trying to land on Roy who was so quick. hopkins faught as good a fight as he possibly could strategy wise. I think you get like a marvin hagler at 160, i think he wins some rounds vs Roy but cant win the fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Toney fight wasn’t at 160.

Hopkins 2 wasn’t at 168 either.

You don’t see what’s impressive about Roy Jones…Please, what impresses about Willie Pastrano???? Please do tell

You just don't like Italians.

But seriously Toney and Jones didn't fight for the MW title? Interesting,. Did Jones ever fight at MW?

I never saw Wilie fight . . . I was breaking Under Ben's balls a little , . . Kinda like I'm breaking yours . . . I just made up a list of LHW champs.

I'm surprised you didn't jump on Slattery.

I do think Jones was over hyped and wasn't impressed with the Toney or Hopkins fights.

Tarver exposed the weakness.

Look back at my post and note the bold face names, those are the ones I believe could have beaten Jones, (add in Tunney, but take out Fitzsimmons. Jones would have confused Fitz to no end; the game has evolved too much.)

You don't think Moore would have out foxed Jones?

Anyway, what's your problem with Italian fighters?

[IronDanHamza]

You just don't like Italians.

But seriously Toney and Jones didn't fight for the MW title? Interesting,. Did Jones ever fight at MW?

I never saw Wilie fight . . . I was breaking Under Ben's balls a little , . . Kinda like I'm breaking yours . . . I just made up a list of LHW champs.

I'm surprised you didn't jump on Slattery.

I do think Jones was over hyped and wasn't impressed with the Toney or Hopkins fights.

Tarver exposed the weakness.

Look back at my post and note the bold face names, those are the ones I believe could have beaten Jones, (add in Tunney, but take out Fitzsimmons. Jones would have confused Fitz to no end; the game has evolved too much.)

You don't think Moore would have out foxed Jones?

Anyway, what's your problem with Italian fighters?

I’m fond of Italians, nothing against them. Willie Pastrano is simply a decent fighter, AT BEST. Should never have been a world champion, beat almost no one of any real note. Simple as that, nothing to do with his nationality.

He’s not on Roy Jones level, but seemingly you admit that.

Toney-Jones was at 168, not 160 and Jones fought Tarver in 2004, Toney in 1994. A decade apart, obviously a totally different fighter at that point in time.

Archie Moore could have beaten Jones yes, Jones also could have beaten Archie Moore. That’s not outside the realms of possibility.

[Willie Pep 229]

I’m fond of Italians, nothing against them. Willie Pastrano is simply a decent fighter, AT BEST. Should never have been a world champion, beat almost no one of any real note. Simple as that, nothing to do with his nationality.

He’s not on Roy Jones level, but seemingly you admit that.

Toney-Jones was at 168, not 160 and Jones fought Tarver in 2004, Toney in 1994. A decade apart, obviously a totally different fighter at that point in time.

Archie Moore could have beaten Jones yes, Jones also could have beaten Archie Moore. That’s not outside the realms of possibility.

I really thought Jimmy Slattery was the red flag.

He won a 10 points fight against Maxie Rosenbloom and got labeled the NBA champion. Tried to unify against Loughran (NYSAC) a few months later but came up short. Then went on a 20 plus non-title run for three years, refusing to defend, losing to Braddock and Rosenbloom along the way. Finally trying, after three years, to unify against the new NYSAC champ Rosenbloom he came up short again.

He was either LHW (NBA) champion for three months or three years depending how you want to interpert it. He was never actually THE LHW champion.

Did lose close fights to Maxie and Tommy though have to give him that.

P.S. The guy above doesn't like me much, because I won't worship at the alter of his self proclaimed expertise, he doesn't handle that well, so I must be a fraud. I am not actually sure how one can be a historical fraud, but to toot my own self proclaimed 'expertise' let me just mention I named my children Dempsey and Louis. I have been at this for a while, like 45 years now. I am a retired 30 year history teacher. LOL I must be a very good fraud. BTW if one can learn from Google why is that a bad thing? I guess the guy above must be the assigned guy on BS who decides who is and isn't a fraud, it's an easy standard just agree with him, then you're an expert too.

Finally let me add that I think all this fansty fight stuff is crap. Just a bunch of guys having a pis sing contest, for some reason believeing that their opinion on these make-believe fights is more important than the other guy. I am a bit of a troll when it comes to these type of coversations; I am waiting for Bill's magic machine to be developed then we'll know the truth.

[Willie Pep 229]

I’m fond of Italians, nothing against them. Willie Pastrano is simply a decent fighter, AT BEST. Should never have been a world champion, beat almost no one of any real note. Simple as that, nothing to do with his nationality.

He’s not on Roy Jones level, but seemingly you admit that.

Toney-Jones was at 168, not 160 and Jones fought Tarver in 2004, Toney in 1994. A decade apart, obviously a totally different fighter at that point in time.

Archie Moore could have beaten Jones yes, Jones also could have beaten Archie Moore. That’s not outside the realms of possibility.

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