Fuel to the fire. Johnson admits Langford did in fact for him!

[travestyny]

Johnson had other offers and opportunities, Johnson declined them. Moved goal posts and demanded more money. Insisted there was no money in fighting black fighters, which was a lie. We know he was prone to lying given the big lie that he threw the Willard fight.

What offers? I've been asking and haven't seen them. I've posted offers that he accepted. Three for Langford. One for McVey. One for Jennette.


I guess Dempsey is a liar, too, since he claims Wills was the only man he ever wanted to fight but when given a perfect opportunity he dodged out a number of times.

[GhostofDempsey]

What offers? I've been asking and haven't seen them. I've posted offers that he accepted. Three for Langford. One for McVey. One for Jennette.


I guess Dempsey is a liar, too, since he claims Wills was the only man he ever wanted to fight but when given a perfect opportunity he dodged out a number of times.

Dempsey made efforts to fight Wills. Money wasn't delivered or Rickard put a halt to it.

Johnson knew he would defeat Burns when he signed a contract to fight Langford afterwards. It was a convenient duck to tear up the contract and demand more money.

[travestyny]

This thread is about Johnson, so there was no deflection here. In fact, this thread was hijacked and turned into another Dempsey hate thread by the usual suspect.

My apologies. You began with your "you called such and such a liar" routine after you claimed anyone who said Johnson wasn't down was a liar (which by the way means you believe either Fleischer or Woodman are liars). I just wanted to see if you would call DeForest a liar.


Instead, you went with senile and mistaken And refused to answer about whether Fleischer or Woodman is a liar. But according to you, one of them is.

[GhostofDempsey]

My apologies. I just wanted to see if you would call DeForest a liar.


Instead, you went with senile and mistaken

I suggested either of those plausible explanations. You're talking about a man who trained dozens of fighters for hundreds of bouts, helped promote hundreds of other fights. You expect him to have precision memory, even though you dismiss his words in another article where he insists he only used five layers of gauze and two layers of adhesive, nothing about bicycle tape.

[travestyny]

I suggested either of those plausible explanations. You're talking about a man who trained dozens of fighters for hundreds of bouts, helped promote hundreds of other fights. You expect him to have precision memory, even though you dismiss his words in another article where he insists he only used five layers of gauze and two layers of adhesive, nothing about bicycle tape.

There you go again "misrepresenting the truth." I never dismissed anything he said. In that statement, he didn't say anything about the type of tape he used. On two other occasions he said precisely what type of tape he used. You, for some reason, think he forgot what he did when his charge was fighting for the biggest award in all of boxing. Come on, man. That's just desperation on your part.

In fact, YOU are the only one who has dismissed anything he said by claiming he was senile and mistaken. I'm quite fine with all of his statements about what he did.

[Willie Pep 229]

Oh I believe they conspired alright. lol. Conspired not to fight Harry Wills.

How was he being faithful to MSG when they also wanted him to fight Harry Wills and wound up barring him because he refused to? lol

No Fitz told him to pull out; right after Fitz bailed out on Chicago. Chicago a risk; Rickard proven. You just don't like that reality and want to call Dempsey a coward.

You have boxing promoters that don't lie and a guarantee from an organization that bounced a check but that doesn't to work with calling Dempsey scared. So you just dismiss this reality.

So you are certain that Chicago offer was legit because you got a copy of a check - but the first checked bounced but your sure this one, one hundred years later, was good. Like one could actually trust a bank or anyone for that matter in Chicago in 1926 after they already bounced one check. Things were a touch different in American banking before the banking acts of 1933. Think how many of these guarantee bankers snuck out of town at night leaving everyone in the lurch in fall 1929.

If you are so certain the money was there tell me your logic why Fitz pulled out ? I got it Dempsey was scared of Wills tell me why Fitz bailed, because he was scared of Wills too, or afraid that his backers were in over their head?

People bounce checks are out no matter what BS thry try to sell afterwards.

[Willie Pep 229]

Oh I believe they conspired alright. lol. Conspired not to fight Harry Wills.

How was he being faithful to MSG when they also wanted him to fight Harry Wills and wound up barring him because he refused to? lol

Also let's look at this from Dempsey's POV -- re the guaranteed 800k check.

First how come an organization that bounced a check for 25k can guarantee a check for 800k just a couple of months later?

If they actually had that kind of backing why did they blow the 25k ? Was it because they were incompetent with the money or because it was not there. Either way, no good.

Second, Dempsey watched first hand the Shelby fiasco- promised 300k plus a % he walked away with 220k - but worst he watched the two banks who made all the guarantee close their doors.

They didn't pay the contractors who built the stadium, didn't pay the contractors who expanded the roads, didn't pay Gibbons.

They defaulted and just shut their doors and walked away.

Dempsey watched that train wreck first hand; now three years later he watches a 25k check bounce and then is suppose to jump at a 800k check guarantee from a Chicago group and a Chicago bank that bounced a check two months earlier.

Maybe Dempsey was just smart not scared. Fitz knew to jump ship.

[travestyny]

No Fitz told him to pull out; right after Fitz bailed out on Chicago. Chicago a risk; Rickard proven. You just don't like that reality and want to call Dempsey a coward.

You have boxing promoters that don't lie and a guarantee from an organization that bounced a check but that doesn't to work with calling Dempsey scared. So you just dismiss this reality.

So you are certain that Chicago offer was legit because you got a copy of a check - but the first checked bounced but your sure this one, one hundred years later, was good. Like one could actually trust a bank or anyone for that matter in Chicago in 1926 after they already bounced one check. Things were a touch different in American banking before the banking acts of 1933. Think how many of these guarantee bankers snuck out of town at night leaving everyone in the lurch in fall 1929.

If you are so certain the money was there tell me your logic why Fitz pulled out ? I got it Dempsey was scared of Wills tell me why Fitz bailed, because he was scared of Wills too, or afraid that his backers were in over their head?

People bounce checks are out no matter what BS thry try to sell afterwards.

Jesus Christ. You guys jump from one thing to the next in your attempt to brush away what everyone should already know.

There was no Chicago Coliseum Club when that check was bounced in 1925. Boxing wasn't even legal in Chicago until 1926. The bounced check in 1925 was due to a South Bend syndicate. It had nothing to do with the Chicago Coliseum Club, which was formed sometime thereafter in anticipation of Chicago legalizing boxing. So trying to connect the Chicago Coliseum Club to the first bounced check is inaccurate. Dempsey and Fitz said they were happy with the offer and credentials of the Chicago Club promoters, and the promoters kept up their end of the bargain with a CERTIFIED check.

Do you know what a certified check is? You can see the damn stamp on the check that says CERTIFIED.

A certified check is a personal check guaranteed by the check writer’s bank. The bank verifies the account holder’s signature and that they have enough money to pay, then sets aside the check amount for when it’s cashed or deposited.

I don't now what game Fitz was playing in South Bend. A wealthy South Bend businessman claims he was asked to lend his name to the South Bend syndicate but not give any money, because it was all a hoax anyway. Take that for what you want. But the Chicago Coliseum Club, and their certified check, obviously meant business.

[GhostofDempsey]

Jesus Christ. You guys jump from one thing to the next in your attempt to brush away what everyone should already know.

There was no Chicago Coliseum Club when that check was bounced in 1925. Boxing wasn't even legal in Chicago until 1926. The bounced check in 1925 was due to a South Bend syndicate. It had nothing to do with the Chicago Coliseum Club, which was formed sometime thereafter in anticipation of Chicago legalizing boxing. So trying to connect the Chicago Coliseum Club to the first bounced check is inaccurate. Dempsey and Fitz said they were happy with the offer and credentials of the Chicago Club promoters, and the promoters kept up their end of the bargain with a CERTIFIED check.

Do you know what a certified check is? You can see the damn stamp on the check that says CERTIFIED.

I don't now what game Fitz was playing in South Bend. A wealthy South Bend businessman claims he was asked to lend his name to the South Bend syndicate but not give any money, because it was all a hoax anyway. Take that for what you want. But the Chicago Coliseum Club, and their certified check, obviously meant business.

Since you believe all these old news sources, I guess the Telegraph Herald was lying too?

On August 6, 1926, the Evening Independent reported that a Chicago matchmaker, Doc Krone, announced that a $300,000 check was waiting for Dempsey in a Chicago bank. On August 22, the Telegraph Herald reported that Wills’ manager Paddy Mullins tried to bluff Dempsey once more into a contract, and then reportedly “failed to come forward with $150,000” saying, “We’ll post the money immediately if Dempsey will sign to fight Wills before September 23.” It was all too late. The public wanted Dempsey back, and he was in the ring with Gene Tunney three weeks later.

[travestyny]

Since you believe all these old news sources, I guess the Telegraph Herald was lying too?

On August 6, 1926, the Evening Independent reported that a Chicago matchmaker, Doc Krone, announced that a $300,000 check was waiting for Dempsey in a Chicago bank. On August 22, the Telegraph Herald reported that Wills’ manager Paddy Mullins tried to bluff Dempsey once more into a contract, and then reportedly “failed to come forward with $150,000” saying, “We’ll post the money immediately if Dempsey will sign to fight Wills before September 23.” It was all too late. The public wanted Dempsey back, and he was in the ring with Gene Tunney three weeks later.

What is the point of this. It says that Doc Krone claims $300,000 was waiting for Dempsey.


You see it right there waiting in a certified check, right? Thanks for giving further credence to what was already known.



Oh, I get it. You think the "Telegraph Herald" is about the $300,000??? Dude, read carefully. It's talking about two separate situations. It shouldn't have been difficult to figure out when they have different dates and different amounts of money.