Fuel to the fire. Johnson admits Langford did in fact for him!

[GhostofDempsey]

What is the point of this. It says that Doc Krone claims $300,000 was waiting for Dempsey.


You see it right there waiting in a certified check, right? Thanks for giving further credence to what was already known.



Oh, I get it. You think the "Telegraph Herald" is about the $300,000??? Dude, read carefully. It's talking about two separate situations. It shouldn't have been difficult to figure out when they have different dates and different amounts of money.

It was dated in August.

According to newspapers:

Rickard's response to the telegram where Dempsey asked Rickard about Wills was January 14, 1926. Rickard voiced his disapproval and scepticism.

On January 20, Tunney signed a contract to fight Dempsey in New Jersey on September 16.

Rickard's later telegram, which he urged Dempsey to commit to the Tunney fight and said that he could get it in New York, was dated March 29, 1926. This is two weeks after Dempsey agreed with Chicago coliseum club to fight Wills.

With the fight with Tunney sealed, the Wills fight was off. The $300K check was posturing and harassment by the time August rolled around. Wills people had been harassing Dempsey the month prior about insurance even while knowing the fight was off.

Newspapers in 1930 would later lay the blame on Rickard as well.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2211&dat=19301108&id=JComAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5_0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1369,2756555&hl=en

[Willie Pep 229]

Jesus Christ. You guys jump from one thing to the next in your attempt to brush away what everyone should already know.

There was no Chicago Coliseum Club when that check was bounced in 1925. Boxing wasn't even legal in Chicago until 1926. The bounced check in 1925 was due to a South Bend syndicate. It had nothing to do with the Chicago Coliseum Club, which was formed sometime thereafter in anticipation of Chicago legalizing boxing. So trying to connect the Chicago Coliseum Club to the first bounced check is inaccurate. Dempsey and Fitz said they were happy with the offer and credentials of the Chicago Club promoters, and the promoters kept up their end of the bargain with a CERTIFIED check.

Do you know what a certified check is? You can see the damn stamp on the check that says CERTIFIED.

I don't now what game Fitz was playing in South Bend. A wealthy South Bend businessman claims he was asked to lend his name to the South Bend syndicate but not give any money, because it was all a hoax anyway. Take that for what you want. But the Chicago Coliseum Club, and their certified check, obviously meant business.

Who is guaranteeing this check? The Chicago Club. Just becuse they say it's guaranteed means nothing they are pitching their argument to the press what bank is guaranteeing this check the Equitable Trust Company?

From Dempsey's point of view why should he trust these people?

Let's pretend that the $300,000 does cash what about the other 500K ? Shelby made the same guarantees and then paid Demosey 65 cents on the dollar and stiffed everyone else.

Rickard was proven he was the only promoter to ever pull off a million dollar gate. These guys needed to pull in two million if they were going to make good on their promises.

From Dempsey's point of view the check bounced why train out to Chiago to find out if this one will cash when he has Rickard taking his back. Becuse the organization had a different name and the back of something called the Equitable Trust Company.? Do you have a grasp on 1920s 'investment' banking and trusts. You realize the half the investment system was running on the promise of money that wasn't actually there and imploded like all pyramid schemes do.

Funny but the first group was bogus but you're certain these guys weren't. Why is that?

Why did Ftiz jump ship and why would Dempsey stay when the guy who talked him into signing ( his friend) bails out?

[travestyny]

It was dated in August.

According to newspapers:

Rickard's response to the telegram where Dempsey asked Rickard about Wills was January 14, 1926. Rickard voiced his disapproval and scepticism.

On January 20, Tunney signed a contract to fight Dempsey in New Jersey on September 16.

Rickard's later telegram, which he urged Dempsey to commit to the Tunney fight and said that he could get it in New York, was dated March 29, 1926. This is two weeks after Dempsey agreed with Chicago coliseum club to fight Wills.

With the fight with Tunney sealed, the Wills fight was off. The $300K check was posturing and harassment by the time August rolled around. Wills people had been harassing Dempsey the month prior about insurance even while knowing the fight was off.

Newspapers in 1930 would later lay the blame on Rickard as well.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2756555&hl=en

Of course they were "harassing" him. He just signed a contract to fight Harry Wills and broke the contract. What part of that isn't understood by now?


Furthermore, the $150,000 was about a winner take all bout that Dempsey offered after Mullins was pissed at Dempsey for breaking the contract. It was Mullins who claimed Dempsey was bluffing, and that he should know a winner take all fight would be illegal. Dempsey claims he wasn't bluffing....yet the guy who he claimed he gave the $150,000 to claimed that he didn't have it. I made a thread about this already. So once again, that snippet you posted which glanced over the contract with the money waiting for Dempsey and then goes into this bologna offer by Dempsey without mentioning exactly what it was, seems to be hogwash.


Rickard had nothing to do with Dempsey running out on the contract.

[Willie Pep 229]

Of course they were "harassing" him. He just signed a contract to fight Harry Wills and broke the contract. What part of that isn't understood by now?


Furthermore, the $150,000 was about a winner take all bout that Dempsey offered after Mullins was pissed at Dempsey for breaking the contract. It was Mullins who claimed Dempsey was bluffing, and that he should know a winner take all fight would be illegal. Dempsey claims he wasn't bluffing....yet the guy who he claimed he gave the $150,000 to claimed that he didn't have it. I made a thread about this already. So once again, that snippet you posted which glanced over the contract with the money waiting for Dempsey and then goes into this bologna offer by Dempsey without mentioning exactly what it was, seems to be hogwash.


Rickard had nothing to do with Dempsey running out on the contract.

Rickard guaranteeing Dempsey 680k plus a % of the gate and film rights had much to do with Dempsey breaking the Chicago contract.

[GhostofDempsey]

Of course they were "harassing" him. He just signed a contract to fight Harry Wills and broke the contract. What part of that isn't understood by now?


Furthermore, the $150,000 was about a winner take all bout that Dempsey offered after Mullins was pissed at Dempsey for breaking the contract. It was Mullins who claimed Dempsey was bluffing, and that he should know a winner take all fight would be illegal. Dempsey claims he wasn't bluffing....yet the guy who he claimed he gave the $150,000 to claimed that he didn't have it. I made a thread about this already. So once again, that snippet you posted which glanced over the contract with the money waiting for Dempsey and then goes into this bologna offer by Dempsey without mentioning exactly what it was, seems to be hogwash.


Rickard had nothing to do with Dempsey running out on the contract.

Rickard did in fact have so thing to do with it. You can cry about Wills losing out on a third chance at Dempsey, but his people had already blown two prior opportunities, and Dempsey had enough. He accepted a sure thing for what he felt would be bigger money and no obstacles to getting the fight made. To suggest Dempsey ducked Wills to fight a more dangerous opponent in Sharkey and Tunney back to back is ludicrous. It was strictly business. Just like it was strictly business for Johnson to tear up a signed contract to defend his title against Langford for more money.

[travestyny]

Who is guaranteeing this check? The Chicago Club. Just becuse they say it's guaranteed means nothing they are pitching their argument to the press what bank is guaranteeing this check the Equitable Trust Company?

From Dempsey's point of view why should he trust these people?

Let's pretend that the $300,000 does cash what about the other 500K ? Shelby made the same guarantees and then paid Demosey 65 cents on the dollar and stiffed everyone else.

Rickard was proven he was the only promoter to ever pull off a million dollar gate. These guys needed to pull in two million if they were going to make good on their promises.

From Dempsey's point of view the check bounced why train out to Chiago to find out if this one will cash when he has Rickard taking his back. Becuse the organization had a different name and the back of something called the Equitable Trust Company.? Do you have a grasp on 1920s 'investment' banking and trusts. You realize the half the investment system was running on the promise of money that wasn't actually there and imploded like all pyramid schemes do.

Funny but the first group was bogus but you're certain these guys weren't. Why is that?

Why did Ftiz jump ship and why would Dempsey stay when the guy who talked him into signing ( his friend) bails out?

Oh my god.


The bank guarantees that the money is there. Please go look up "Certified Check." Why do I even have to repeat myself when I gave you all of the information. You guys are so desperate. I even gave you the definition of certified check and you are still trying to claim the money may not have been there.

Once again, the $300,000 goes to him free of charge if the fight doesn't come on.

Why do you keep asking me about Fitz? He didn't bail out of anything. He had the contract for them to fight and he was trying to find a group to back the bout. That's where the Chicago Coliseum Club comes in. I don't think Fritz ever wanted this fight in the first place, but I'm not going to pretend to know what he was doing or thinking. What's clear is that a court acknowledged that Dempsey....not Fitz, not Kearns, not Rickard, DEMPSEY broke this valid contract to fight Harry Wills.

[travestyny]

Rickard did in fact have so thing to do with it. You can cry about Wills losing out on a third chance at Dempsey, but his people had already blown two prior opportunities, and Dempsey had enough. He accepted a sure thing for what he felt would be bigger money and no obstacles to getting the fight made. To suggest Dempsey ducked Wills to fight a more dangerous opponent in Sharkey and Tunney back to back is ludicrous. It was strictly business. Just like it was strictly business for Johnson to tear up a signed contract to defend his title against Langford for more money.

You can claim Rickard had the world to do with it if it makes you feel happy, but I don't see Rickard's name on that court brief at all. Dempsey himself claimed the only man he ever wanted to fight was who....? Harry Wills. That should take care of all the Sharkey and Tunney talk. And we know it was for more money than the Tunney fight. So there you go. Business and "pleasure" wrapped up nicely, and he ducked it.


Nice try. Johnson didn't have to tear up anything because all sides agreed that the contract wouldn't be followed. Sorry that it makes you mad that Dempsey ducked Wills, but those are the facts.

[GhostofDempsey]

Oh my god.


The bank guarantees that the money is there. Please go look up "Certified Check." Why do I even have to repeat myself when I gave you all of the information. You guys are so desperate. I even gave you the definition of certified check and you are still trying to claim the money may not have been there.

Once again, the $300,000 goes to him free of charge if the fight doesn't come on.

Why do you keep asking me about Fitz? He didn't bail out of anything. He had the contract for them to fight and he was trying to find a group to back the bout. That's where the Chicago Coliseum Club comes in. I don't think Fritz ever wanted this fight in the first place, but I'm not going to pretend to know what he was doing or thinking. What's clear is that a court acknowledged that Dempsey....not Fitz, not Kearns, not Rickard, DEMPSEY broke this valid contract to fight Harry Wills.

The check is dated August, Dempsey called it off months prior. The check was for show, likely so they could use it in a pending lawsuit. Wills got left at the Altar back in April. Like I said, two missed opportunities while he was still closer to his prime, and Wills people failed him. Not Dempsey.

[GhostofDempsey]

You can claim Rickard had the world to do with it if it makes you feel happy, but I don't see Rickard's name on that court brief at all. Dempsey himself claimed the only man he ever wanted to fight was who....? Harry Wills. That should take care of all the Sharkey and Tunney talk. And we know it was for more money than the Tunney fight. So there you go. Business and "pleasure" wrapped up nicely, and he ducked it.


Nice try. Johnson didn't have to tear up anything because all sides agreed that the contract wouldn't be followed. Sorry that it makes you mad that Dempsey ducked Wills, but those are the facts.

No facts, just more whining and hurt feelings from you. Where is your alt Shoulder Roll, is he waiting for this thread to die down so he can slide in at the end and declare you the “winner” again?

The Tunney fight anticipated more revenue. It was a busniess move. Most anyone who knew anything about boxing knew Dempsey would mop the floor with Wills, who was big and strong but slow, made to order for Dempsey. It was basically proven when Wills got worked over by Sharkey and KTFO by Uzcundun.

[travestyny]

The check is dated August, Dempsey called it off months prior. The check was for show, likely so they could use it in a pending lawsuit. Wills got left at the Altar back in April. Like I said, two missed opportunities while he was still closer to his prime, and Wills people failed him. Not Dempsey.

Uh....noooo. The contract that DEMPSEY signed stated that the money should be posted on August 5th.


The money was posted on...AUGUST 5th. Give up.


Why do you think there were injunctions issued to stop Tunney vs. Dempsey which barred Rickard from holding that fight in Chicago which was his first choice. They couldn't hold the fight there because they ran out on this contract. They had to move it to Philly to get away from the injunction.