Fuel to the fire. Johnson admits Langford did in fact for him!

[GhostofDempsey]

I didn't dismiss anything. I just know that none of what you say is relevant. Telegrams have nothing to do with Dempsey breaking a valid contract. I've already stated when the money was supposed to be posted. Dempsey can read. He knew when it was supposed to be posted. That obviously didn't let him off the hook or there would be no court saying he clearly breached the contract, and there would be no injunction barring the Tunney fight in Chicago.

You can claim Rickard shoved his hand up Dempsey's ass and worked him like a puppet. It still doesn't change that he broke this contract to fight the only man he ever wanted to fight, according to him. I get it. To you guys it's never Dempsey's fault. Unfortunately, Kearns and Rickard's names aren't in that court brief.

If he wanted the fight...there it was waiting for him to the tune of $800,000 in the least. He left it on the table instead.


Besides that...everyone knows Rickard didn't want the fight. So what is supposedly this big reveal? So he told Dempsey not to take on Wills. What did DEMPSEY decide to do? Or does he not have a mind of his own?

You are hung up on this contract that Dempsey broke. In the grand scheme of it all, it doesn’t matter. Wills had two prior chances at Dempsey while Harry was closer to his prime, and Dempsey had enough of having his time wasted. He courted two opponents (Tunney and Wills) simultaneously and went with the offer that he felt was (a) a guarantee and (b) as prosperous or better. Dempsey didn’t duck him in ‘22 and he didn’t duck him in ‘25. Guys like you call his breach a duck, but make excuses for Johnson.

Now we are right back where we started. Barstool banter and a war of attrition. We already showed where Dempsey gave him two chances and Wills people failed him. Same way you insist Johnson gave Langford and Jeannette honest chances at title fights and their people failed them. Or in your words they were liars.

You live in a black and white world and don’t understand the complexities of the fight business then or now. The nuances that make or break fights. How finance and banking works, how the legal system works, how promoters and the managers and the press could say anything they want and not be held accountable. Hence all these articles that you cherry pick to “win” an argument while ignoring the articles and sources anyone else provides.

Stay in your little angry bubble and keep the hate alive. Hopefully you’ll be able to resist the urge to hijack another thread and turn it into another Dempsey bashing thread. Something tells me you won’t be able to stop yourself.

[Willie Pep 229]

Uh...no. It was posted TO the trust fund.

Once again, go look up Certified Check. Though I already did it for you, I think you can handle it yourself. lol.

Who certified it ?

[travestyny]

You are hung up on this contract that Dempsey broke. In the grand scheme of it all, it doesn’t matter. Wills had two prior chances at Dempsey while Harry was closer to his prime, and Dempsey had enough of having his time wasted. He courted two opponents (Tunney and Wills) simultaneously and went with the offer that he felt was (a) a guarantee and (b) as prosperous or better. Dempsey didn’t duck him in ‘22 and he didn’t duck him in ‘25. Guys like you call his breach a duck, but make excuses for Johnson.

Now we are right back where we started. Barstool banter and a war of attrition. We already showed where Dempsey gave him two chances and Wills people failed him. Same way you insist Johnson gave Langford and Jeannette honest chances at title fights and their people failed them. Or in your words they were liars.

You live in a black and white world and don’t understand the complexities of the fight business then or now. The nuances that make or break fights. How finance and banking works, how the legal system works, how promoters and the managers and the press could say anything they want and not be held accountable. Hence all these articles that you cherry pick to “win” an argument while ignoring the articles and sources anyone else provides.

Stay in your little angry bubble and keep the hate alive. Hopefully you’ll be able to resist the urge to hijack another thread and turn it into another Dempsey bashing thread. Something tells me you won’t be able to stop yourself.

LMAO. You are the one that seems upset.

What happened with the Montreal offer in 1923 that Rickard apparently wanted but Dempsey claimed he couldn't get in shape in time. You guys just don't want to accept this. It doesn't change how great of a champion Dempsey was, but he ducked the man. I never said it was because he was afraid of Wills per se. I personally believe he was afraid to lose to a black fighter. Not that he didn't think he could win...but he knew it was a possibility that he could lose, and he didn't want to be labeled a "race traitor" though I assume he even know that would be dumb. But when he's surrounded by people who think as such, like his wife who called Wills a "slack jawed n-word," I think that played with his head.

It is what it is, man. This is all in the past. But denying the truth isn't fair to Wills.

[travestyny]

Who certified it ?

The issuing bank certified it. It was left to the trust company to act as trustee. You just claimed that certified checks didn't work this way back in the 1920's. "Nothing was ever certified." Well....


The Winslow Mail - May 1920

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Are we clear on what a certified check is now?

[Willie Pep 229]

The issuing bank certified it. It was left to the trust company to act as trustee. You just claimed that certified checks didn't work this way back in the 1920's. "Nothing was ever certified." Well....


The Winslow Mail - May 1920

Are we clear on what a certified check is now?

So which bank certified the check ? Is the bank's name written the check ? I only found the name of the trust fund. Which bank certified the check? Which bank does Dempsey take the check to that will guarantee it will cash.

Am I missing the name of the bank who certified the check? Please tell me the bank's name.

[travestyny]

So which bank certified the check ? Is the bank's name written the check ? I only found the name of the trust fund. Which bank certified the check? Which bank does Dempsey take the check to that will guarantee it will cash.

Am I missing the name of the bank who certified the check? Please tell me the bank's name.

Most likely the Chicago National Bank, where the Equitable Trust Company of Chicago was located.

https://chicagology.com/goldenage/goldenage105/

Dempsey's a smart boy. I'm sure he could figure it out.

[GhostofDempsey]

LMAO. You are the one that seems upset.

What happened with the Montreal offer in 1923 that Rickard apparently wanted but Dempsey claimed he couldn't get in shape in time. You guys just don't want to accept this. It doesn't change how great of a champion Dempsey was, but he ducked the man. I never said it was because he was afraid of Wills per se. I personally believe he was afraid to lose to a black fighter. Not that he didn't think he could win...but he knew it was a possibility that he could lose, and he didn't want to be labeled a "race traitor" though I assume he even know that would be dumb. But when he's surrounded by people who think as such, like his wife who called Wills a "slack jawed n-word," I think that played with his head.

It is what it is, man. This is all in the past. But denying the truth isn't fair to Wills.

Who really knows what went on in ‘23? It’s irrelevant as we have already pointed out the two attempts Dempsey made at giving Wills his shot. Any unfairness to Wills was committed by managers, promoters, financiers, racist laws, etc. Not Dempsey.

[Willie Pep 229]

Most likely the Chicago National Bank, where the Equitable Trust Company of Chicago was located.

https://chicagology.com/goldenage/goldenage105/

Dempsey's a smart boy. I'm sure he could figure it out.

No the certifcation stamp is the trust company there is no one else involved. Read the cerifaction stamp.

[travestyny]

No the certifcation stamp is the trust company there is no one else involved. Read the cerifaction stamp.

The certification stamp means that it is certified. What else do you want? Your angle is going to be that a check that is stamped certified is not certified?

[Willie Pep 229]

Most likely the Chicago National Bank, where the Equitable Trust Company of Chicago was located.

https://chicagology.com/goldenage/goldenage105/

Dempsey's a smart boy. I'm sure he could figure it out.

The Central Trust Company didn't sign off on that check the Equitable Trust Company did.