Fuel to the fire. Johnson admits Langford did in fact for him!

[travestyny]

No facts, just more whining and hurt feelings from you. Where is your alt Shoulder Roll, is he waiting for this thread to die down so he can slide in at the end and declare you the “winner” again?

The Tunney fight anticipated more revenue. It was a busniess move. Most anyone who knew anything about boxing knew Dempsey would mop the floor with Wills, who was big and strong but slow, made to order for Dempsey. It was basically proven when Wills got worked over by Sharkey and KTFO by Uzcundun.

Hurt feelings? You are the one trying everything and failing. I'm just annoyed that I have to be a broken record because you can't come to terms with what's staring you in the face. It's really sad. Give up.


You can claim Dempsey would have decapitated Wills if you want. That doesn't change the fact that he ducked him. Repeatedly. If Dempsey had as much confidence in himself as you did, maybe he would have fought him

[travestyny]

Rickard guaranteeing Dempsey 680k plus a % of the gate and film rights had much to do with Dempsey breaking the Chicago contract.

Uh...He was guaranteed $800,000 and a % of the gate and film rights for Wills. Give up.

[GhostofDempsey]

Uh....noooo. The contract that DEMPSEY signed stated that the money should be posted on August 5th.


The money was posted on...AUGUST 5th. Give up.

Doesn’t matter, Dempsey called off the fight well prior to any check posted in August.

When I mentioned the telegrams that were sent from Dempsey to Rickard in early 1926, which I believe were produced in court case of Mara v Tunney, you dismiss it. The telegrams aren’t difinitive proof that Dempsey pursued a Wills fight, but reports in the news suggested Dempsey was interested in a Wills fight and Rickard was not. At the very least they prove that Dempsey was telling Rickard he was considering Wills, and proof that Rickard discouraged Dempsey as to why he didn't approve of the fight.

Don’t start saying you don’t believe these anonymous hundred year old news stories now...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2211&dat=19301108&id=JComAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5_0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1369,2756555&hl=en

[travestyny]

Doesn’t matter, Dempsey called off the fight well prior to any check posted in August.

When I mentioned the telegrams that were sent from Dempsey to Rickard in early 1926, which I believe were produced in court case of Mara v Tunney, you dismiss it. The telegrams aren’t difinitive proof that Dempsey pursued a Wills fight, but reports in the news suggested Dempsey was interested in a Wills fight and Rickard was not. At the very least they prove that Dempsey was telling Rickard he was considering Wills, and proof that Rickard discouraged Dempsey as to why he didn't approve of the fight.

Don’t start saying you don’t believe these anonymous hundred year old news stories now...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2756555&hl=en

I didn't dismiss anything. I just know that none of what you say is relevant. Telegrams have nothing to do with Dempsey breaking a valid contract. I've already stated when the money was supposed to be posted. Dempsey can read. He knew when it was supposed to be posted. That obviously didn't let him off the hook or there would be no court saying he clearly breached the contract, and there would be no injunction barring the Tunney fight in Chicago.

You can claim Rickard shoved his hand up Dempsey's ass and worked him like a puppet. It still doesn't change that he broke this contract to fight the only man he ever wanted to fight, according to him. I get it. To you guys it's never Dempsey's fault. Unfortunately, Kearns and Rickard's names aren't in that court brief.

If he wanted the fight...there it was waiting for him to the tune of $800,000 in the least. He left it on the table instead.


Besides that...everyone knows Rickard didn't want the fight. So what is supposedly this big reveal? So he told Dempsey not to take on Wills. What did DEMPSEY decide to do? Or does he not have a mind of his own?

[Willie Pep 229]

Oh my god.


The bank guarantees that the money is there. Please go look up "Certified Check." Why do I even have to repeat myself when I gave you all of the information. You guys are so desperate. I even gave you the definition of certified check and you are still trying to claim the money may not have been there.

Once again, the $300,000 goes to him free of charge if the fight doesn't come on.

Why do you keep asking me about Fitz? He didn't bail out of anything. He had the contract for them to fight and he was trying to find a group to back the bout. That's where the Chicago Coliseum Club comes in. I don't think Fritz ever wanted this fight in the first place, but I'm not going to pretend to know what he was doing or thinking. What's clear is that a court acknowledged that Dempsey....not Fitz, not Kearns, not Rickard, DEMPSEY broke this valid contract to fight Harry Wills.

The bank was a trust fund not a bank - MY GOD do you have any clue what banking was like before the 1933 banking acts?

Nothing ws ever guaranteed - two banks closed in Shelby and screwed everyone because a prize fight didn't generate the necessary revenue.

What if the fight goes off but the other 500k isn't there then what does Demosey do? It happened in Shelby.

These guys were a risk; Rickard a better risk.

[Willie Pep 229]

Uh...He was guaranteed $800,000 and a % of the gate and film rights for Wills. Give up.

I didn't say it was a better offer monetarily I said it was Rickard that drew him away with a more certain guarantee. Pay attention.

[travestyny]

The bank was a trust fund not a bank - MY GOD do you have any clue what banking was like before the 1933 banking acts?

Nothing ws ever guaranteed - two banks closed in Shelby and screwed everyone because a prize fight didn't generate the necessary revenue.

What if the fight goes off but the other 500k isn't there then what does Demosey do? It happened in Shelby.

These guys were a risk; Rickard a better risk.

Uh...no. It was posted TO the trust fund.

Once again, go look up Certified Check. Though I already did it for you, I think you can handle it yourself. lol.

[Willie Pep 229]

Uh...He was guaranteed $800,000 and a % of the gate and film rights for Wills. Give up.

You think the Chicago people could have gotten the Wills-Dempsey pass the Sims Act. A mixed fight going interstate?

[travestyny]

I didn't say it was a better offer monetarily I said it was Rickard that drew him away with a more certain guarantee. Pay attention.

Says the guy who can't pay attention to what a certified check is.

[travestyny]

You think the Chicago people could have gotten the Wills-Dempsey pass the Sims Act. A mixed fight going interstate?

I think Dempsey must have thought so or he wouldn't have signed the contract. Unless he just never intended to fight in the first place.