Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[edgarg]

Well that's based on opinion. We can only go by the facts that are there, and that is a prime Ali has never been stopped and hes beaten his share of all of famers too, even in trilogies. Langford in his hay day was stopped twice, once by Peter Jackson and another by Harry Wills. Another thing is that Langford was blind in one eye for most of his fights, and he didn't become fully blind until after he retired.

Also, i have always defended the great fighters of that era and the reason why they had so many losses, however Ali in his prime didn't get hit much and even when he noticeably slowed down and fighting the best and dangerous fighters of that time like ( Frazier, Foreman, Ellis, Shavers, Lyle ect) he did not get stopped.

Not so he was not blind in one eye for "most" of his fights. But for the last 4-5 years of his career. He could still see peripherally from his bad eye. I have read the account given by an eye specialist who examined him during that time. All the stories about him groping at shadows are apocryphal and not true.

I have a picture of him as an old man with his jacket fastened by a large safety pin, sitting on the steps in front of his home, He wore glasses, and not BLACK ones either. He had sight..

This was because in 1944 Al Laney of the New York Herald tribune raised $10,000 to pay for successful surgery for Sam. You never see it mentioned, but you can find it with research...as I did.

[Willie Pep 229]

Not so he was not blind in one eye for "most" of his fights. But for the last 4-5 years of his career. He could still see peripherally from his bad eye. I have read the account given by an eye specialist who examined him during that time. All the stories about him groping at shadows are apocryphal and not true.

I have a picture of him as an old man with his jacket fastened by a large safety pin, sitting on the steps in front of his home, He wore glasses, and not BLACK ones either. He had sight..

This was because in 1944 Al Laney of the New York Herald tribune raised $10,000 to pay for successful surgery for Sam. You never see it mentioned, but you can find it with research...as I did.

That sounds like a cataract. But would one need 10K for cataract surgery?

10K in 1944 sounds like 100K today. Pretty serious surgery.

[travestyny]

No. YOU don’t complete the research and instead point to a right hand to Sharkeys leg PRIOR TO the key blows and call that the low blow. Complete rubbish. The ref stated that blow did no damage and was unintentional.

The ref Did not indicate that ANY OF THOSE FINAL THREE RIGHT UPPERCUTS TO THE BODY WERE LOW. This is why he did not disqualify Dempsey.

The blows in question were three viscous right uppercuts to the pit of Sharkeys body. This was then followed by the ko blow a left hook to Sharkeys jaw.

A film of the fight was shown the next day.

https://www.gastearsivi.com/en/gazete/new_britain_herald/1927-07-22/1

If you watch the bout you can clearly see the first two right uppercuts land. No where near the groin. Fair blows. No indication the final right uppercut was any different from the first two. Three very quick very short body blows thrown in rapid succession.

You are wrong and I already pointed out that you are wrong about this, and yet you are still saying the same thing.


The ref describe the final three blows. A low blow (he said it hit Sharkey's thigh and traveled up. I never claimed he said it did damage. I believe he said it did not. I'm not sure how he would know, especially when he fvvcked up the call and probably needed glasses), then a left hook to the solar plexus... which was a PHANTOM left hook because if you look at the video, there was no second punch there, then the finishing blow.

THAT was the last three punches the ref saw and he stated that clearly.

When I watch the video, I clearly see Sharkey flinch up when hit low, just when the ref claimed he was hit low. Which makes sense because you can clearly see the ref begin to come in to warn about the low blow. Just like the ref said.


How can you keep claiming it wasn't low when you can see clearly that the referee comes in to break the action right at that moment. You also clearly see Sharkey's damn eyes pop out of his head when he was hit low.
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[travestyny]

Going back to the OP here's an answer no one will like.


Doesn't anyone ask themselves why in eight years ***** didn't pardon this man, but then a misogynistic creep did?

I think because, being Black, ***** doesn't feel he has to pander to Blacks (and thus why waste his time with something that meant absolutely nothing and which Jack Johnson likely himself wouldn't have cared about), while Trump was looking for some browny points with Black voters.

[Ivich]

That sounds like a cataract. But would one need 10K for cataract surgery?

10K in 1944 sounds like 100K today. Pretty serious surgery.

In his first fight with Fred Fulton, in1917 Fulton's jab irreparably damaged the optic nerve in on eye leaving him sightless in it . He fought on a further 9 years with the sight of his good eye deteriorating all the time.

[HOUDINI563]

Watch the fight. There is no punch to Sharkeys leg with the final three body blows nor is there a left hook to the solar plexus.

The ref was describing two blows PREVIOUS to the final three right uppercuts to Sharkeys body. It’s quite obvious. No left hook to the body was thrown during the last four blows. Three right uppercuts to the body followed by a left hook to the jaw. Show everyone that left hook to the solar plexus during those final blows! There IS a left hook to the solar plexus PRECEDING the ko sequence.

New Britain Times
Referee O’Sullivan:
“The blow that preceded the ko blow, a left to the jaw, was a fairly delivered one. It was a right uppercut that landed on the waistline but not below. It is true that Dempsey landed several times below the waistline in previous rounds but in no case we’re the punches injurious or deliberate nor was any protest made by Sharkey previous to the final round.”

[HOUDINI563]

That quote is via the Associated Press by the way.

[HOUDINI563]

Motion pictures of fight show body blow was legal.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...arRange&page=2

[HOUDINI563]

Note that the slow motion film of the fight showed the three uppercuts the Sharkeys body to be fair.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...arRange&page=7

Interestingly the ref and one judge scorecards had Dempsey leading after 6 rounds while the third had Sharkey ahead. If you read the preponderance of the reports Sharkey was fading, bending low to try to avoid body punches as the rounds progressed. The idea that Sharkey was winning going away is a falsehood.

[HOUDINI563]

Motion pictures of fight show blows to be fair headline again.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...e=range&page=5