Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[Willie Pep 229]

Dempsey WON the lawsuit. It was appealed and then remanded for retrial but never retrialed. That does not change the fact that the arguments presented during the trial caused the jury to side with Dempsey. What were those arguments?

Really I am confused by that. I thought Dempsey paid out $1,200 in damages.

[Willie Pep 229]

If you're referring to that Atomic Moron, Ivich, I can assure you he's not travestyny's alt. Jesus, he doesn't even post remotely like him ffs

Well that doesn't work for me I think your a Travesty alt.

[Poet682006]

Having an injunction slammed against you and being found to owe damages is far from not guilty.


Was the injunction because he did something right?

^^^^^ This keeps getting dodged. Just claiming "Dempsey won" without addressing the above, is empty rhetoric.

[Ivich]

That's fair. I just don't agree that Johnson drew the color line. His fights with the colored champions were all pulled due to no fault of his own. That's the point that has been made here a number of times. I don't have a problem with people believing he could have done more to make those fights. But if they say he never agreed to the fights, that's a flat out lie.

With Dempsey, I do also believe it was complicated. I don't believe he was afraid of Wills, per se. Personally, I believe he was afraid of the prospect of losing to a Black boxer and what that would do to his legacy, and how his racist wife would look at him. All I know is that boxing commissions, promoters, the fans, they were all trying to get Dempsey to face Wills and it's clear he didn't want to for whatever reason.

I mean he stated flat out that he wouldn't fight Joe Jeannette because he's a Black man, so I don't know why this would be out of the ordinary for him.

This needs explaining, Dempsey had agreed to box a charity exhibition for free, his partner was to have been Porky Flynn ,at the last minute Jeannette was substituted in a pre planned move.Dempsey said he was willing to go on with Joe but Doc Kearns vetoed the idea.

[Ivich]

If you're referring to that Atomic Moron, Ivich, I can assure you he's not travestyny's alt. Jesus, he doesn't even post remotely like him ffs

I've been here a couple of days and already posters are assuring me you are a fruit loop.Why on God's earth would I give a **** about your opinion? The time for me to be concerned would be if you agreed with me!

[Poet682006]

Well that doesn't work for me I think your a Travesty alt.

Whatever gives your tic-tac a woody, guess. I really don't give a flying phuck what you think I am. That being said, I may have taken a multi-year hiatus, but I've been a regular here since 2007. Ask Jab, or BattlingNelson, Them_Apples,or Billieu who the phuck I am.

[Willie Pep 229]

How did he win if he was smacked with an injunction and it was remanded FOR DAMAGES. The court brief specifically states there was a clear breach of contract.

OK I am confused . . . That court opinion we read, that you provided was an appellate decision, correct.

It levied $1,200 (or so) in damages against Dempsey.

First tell me I am correct here or the next part doesn't make sense.

If the appellate court levied damages against Dempsey they must have been in the original jury decision.

An appellate court can reduced a jury's penalty but I don't see how Dempsey can win the original jurisdiction and then have them impose damages.

Houdini says that the appellate court remanded the appeal for retrial, so . . . I'm confused.

Do you know who made the appeal?

P.S. You know the injunction was in '27 and the trial years later. Not really relevant to each other.

[travestyny]

This needs explaining, Dempsey had agreed to box a charity exhibition for free, his partner was to have been Porky Flynn ,at the last minute Jeannette was substituted in a pre planned move.Dempsey said he was willing to go on with Joe but Doc Kearns vetoed the idea.

In an article that Dempsey lended his name to, he said he would fight any two white men, but not Joe.

It was also told that way in the NY Times if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can dig it out.


Here it is. His opponent was to be Joe Bonds. I think Jeannette and team got to Joe first, and Joe magically became sick... and probably a bit richer at the same time.

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[Willie Pep 229]

Whatever gives your tic-tac a woody, guess. I really don't give a flying phuck what you think I am. That being said, I may have taken a multi-year hiatus, but I've been a regular here since 2007. Ask Jab, or BattlingNelson, Them_Apples,or Billieu who the phuck I am.

Laugh! Just laugh once in a while. You don't prove yourself to me.

T is a passive aggressive SOB and I'm a ****, remember?

And the new guy is an atomic moron. (Good phrase.)

[Ivich]

In an article that Dempsey lended his name to, he said he would fight any two white men, but not Joe.

It was also told that way in the NY Times if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can dig it out.


Here it is:

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On winning the title Dempsey announced he ,"would pay no attention to black challengers ,but he later reversed his stance on this.Kearns given reason for refusing to let Dempsey spar with Jeannette was because he thought it would establish a precedent .What had Dempsey to fear in boxing an exhibition with the past prime Jeannette? I must make a correction to my earlier post Dempsey was due to spar with Joe Bonds not Porky Flynn.Bonds was in the arena,but claimed an injury.Jeannette was due to box on the bill which was in aid of The United War Work Fund the date was Nov16th 1918 at MSG.Dan Morgan made the following statement to the Brooklyn Daily Standard Nov 18th 1918."In justice to Dempsey I wish to say I believe in my heart he would have gone on with Jeannette had not his manager Kearns refused to permit him to do so."Promoter Jim Coffroth said some folks tried to trick Dempsey into fighting Jeannette he was supposed to box Joe Bonds for War Fund Charities but when he was in the ring Jeannette entered instead .Coffroth stated that Dempsey was willing to fight him but Coffroth thought the trick being used was unfair .Dempsey and his manager left the ring and Dempsey donated $500 to the fund. The 39 years old Jeannette had lost twice to Kid Norfolk that year why would Dempsey be afraid of boxing a charity exhibition with him?