Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[Ivich]

Johnson already knew they wouldn't sanction the fight in NY, it was a great way to save face by agreeing to a fight he knew could not be made.

Unadulterated twaddle!

[Ivich]

Johnson already knew they wouldn't sanction the fight in NY, it was a great way to save face by agreeing to a fight he knew could not be made.

This is total BS ,you are mugging yourself now Fella!

[HOUDINI563]

Johnson did not fight the other great black heavyweights as champion but these bouts were made and predominately fell through.

Black vs Black bouts were not a big “seller” back in those days.

The predominately white paying audience wanted to see a white contender, any white fighter, beat Johnson.

The strong push for this outcome led to the riots and subsequent killing of blacks across the US in 1910 post Johnson vs Jeffries and polluted the waters for any black heavyweight until Joe Louis 27 years later.

[GhostofDempsey]

This is total BS ,you are mugging yourself now Fella!

Why not just quote me once instead of three times, and still provide nothing of substance?

[Ivich]

Johnson did not fight the other great black heavyweights as champion but these bouts were made and predominately fell through.

Black vs Black bouts were not a big “seller” back in those days.

The predominately white paying audience wanted to see a white contender, any white fighter, beat Johnson.

The strong push for this outcome led to the riots and subsequent killing of blacks across the US in 1910 post Johnson vs Jeffries and polluted the waters for any black heavyweight until Joe Louis 27 years later.

Johnson got $31,500 for fighting Jim Flynn a man he had already comprehensively beaten The NSC offered him $3000 to defend against Langford and he would have to have paid his own travel expenses to the UK. Langford's biggest purse was for fighting Iron Hague in London.

[Ivich]

Why not just quote me once instead of three times, and still provide nothing of substance?

I've asked you what info you require and you haven't replied.

[Willie Pep 229]

Funny how when someone argues that the Dempsey - Wills situation was complicated and the fight squashed by outside circumstances, e.g. laws, venue problems, money, failed promises, we're told by certain posters on here that those things don't matter, that they're all just excuses.

But then they use the same arguments to let JJ off the hook.

Kudos to Jab he is the only one who holds both fighters to the same standard.

[HOUDINI563]

Johnson got $31,500 for fighting Jim Flynn a man he had already comprehensively beaten The NSC offered him $3000 to defend against Langford and he would have to have paid his own travel expenses to the UK. Langford's biggest purse was for fighting Iron Hague in London.

Thank you McVey.

[travestyny]

Funny how when someone argues that the Dempsey - Wills situation was complicated and the fight squashed by outside circumstances, e.g. laws, venue problems, money, failed promises, we're told by certain posters on here that those things don't matter, that they're all just excuses.

But then they use the same arguments to let JJ off the hook.

Kudos to Jab he is the only one who holds both fighters to the same standard.

Really? Dempsey signed a contract that was worth more than the Tunney fight and then broke the contract. When did JJohnson do something similar?

[HOUDINI563]

Funny how when someone argues that the Dempsey - Wills situation was complicated and the fight squashed by outside circumstances, e.g. laws, venue problems, money, failed promises, we're told by certain posters on here that those things don't matter, that they're all just excuses.

But then they use the same arguments to let JJ off the hook.

Kudos to Jab he is the only one who holds both fighters to the same standard.

Both situations are highly complicated. Reducing the argument to one fighter afraid to fight another is a fools argument.