Ray Leonard vs Roy Jones at Middleweight

[billeau2]

Yup. Totally certifiable.

I know... some arguments are hard for you to follow, its ok tootsie I get it. Can I call you tootsie?

You made some progress, just could not follow it through to a natural conclusion...A for effort! Tootie gets a star!

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=billeau2;20700177]

- -Not my problem U have size issues.

Roy naturally bigger to put together a much longer streak of excellence that had even the ol'Timers proclaiming him the best ever until he hung on too long.[/QUOTE

You have logically thinking issues. U crazy! No sense whatsoever. Like this post which does not even address any issue much less a good sized middle weight and the relative size advantage.

- -That be U Ginsberg or Kerouac speaking?

What they know of boxing fits on U pinhead.

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;20700901]

- -That be U Ginsberg or Kerouac speaking?

What they know of boxing fits on U pinhead.

U don't know nuthin... and cannot even express the little U know coherently. Alzheimers temper tantrums is what U do. go pull up an old thread and argue with yourself idiot, cause that is what sane people do.

[them_apples]

who wins???

i think Roy takes it in less than 8 rounds, i just think at middle, Roy was a ****ing beast, too big for Ray and almost as fast or as fast OR MAYBE EVEN faster.

By the time Ray was at middleweight he already had ******* problems and had layoffs. So he's not near his best.

The closest to a prime Ray at middleweight would be when they tricked him into fighting Marcos Geraldo back when Ray was campaigning at 147. The size and strength is evident but Rays speed won him the fight.

Prime for prime we have more evidence of Roy beating Leonard based on a realistic scenario (ray that fought Hagler, who was aging).

But I want to say Roy didn't look like an absolute superstar against his best competition. He often won tit for tatt boxing matches and did a lot of crowd pleasing things.

I don't think he stops Ray, he probably wins a decision.

You have to understand with Leonard, he was a welterweight King, developed a drug problem, took time off (doesn't have a big resume, just a good one) then secured his place in history by winning a Razer thin victory over Hagler, who was looking beatable at that point.

Most of Rays real greatness came at welterweight.

If 147 lb Ray ate a big meal.and fought Jones at 154, I'd pick Ray to win by Ko

[QueensburyRules]

By the time Ray was at middleweight he already had ******* problems and had layoffs. So he's not near his best.

The closest to a prime Ray at middleweight would be when they tricked him into fighting Marcos Geraldo back when Ray was campaigning at 147. The size and strength is evident but Rays speed won him the fight.

Prime for prime we have more evidence of Roy beating Leonard based on a realistic scenario (ray that fought Hagler, who was aging).

But I want to say Roy didn't look like an absolute superstar against his best competition. He often won tit for tatt boxing matches and did a lot of crowd pleasing things.

I don't think he stops Ray, he probably wins a decision.

You have to understand with Leonard, he was a welterweight King, developed a drug problem, took time off (doesn't have a big resume, just a good one) then secured his place in history by winning a Razer thin victory over Hagler, who was looking beatable at that point.

Most of Rays real greatness came at welterweight.

If 147 lb Ray ate a big meal.and fought Jones at 154, I'd pick Ray to win by Ko

- -Roy dominated the brief nanosecond he spent at 154.

Ray wouldn't fight him at any stage, and if U mind U Ps & Qs, you will notice the absence of Roy vs Ray fights in Valhalla.

[billeau2]

- -Roy dominated the brief nanosecond he spent at 154.

Ray wouldn't fight him at any stage, and if U mind U Ps & Qs, you will notice the absence of Roy vs Ray fights in Valhalla.

once again logic escapes you. dominate for a

brief second lol. U dumb

[Rusty Tromboni]

By the time Ray was at middleweight he already had ******* problems and had layoffs. So he's not near his best.

The closest to a prime Ray at middleweight would be when they tricked him into fighting Marcos Geraldo back when Ray was campaigning at 147. The size and strength is evident but Rays speed won him the fight.

Prime for prime we have more evidence of Roy beating Leonard based on a realistic scenario (ray that fought Hagler, who was aging).

But I want to say Roy didn't look like an absolute superstar against his best competition. He often won tit for tatt boxing matches and did a lot of crowd pleasing things.

I don't think he stops Ray, he probably wins a decision.

You have to understand with Leonard, he was a welterweight King, developed a drug problem, took time off (doesn't have a big resume, just a good one) then secured his place in history by winning a Razer thin victory over Hagler, who was looking beatable at that point.

Most of Rays real greatness came at welterweight.

If 147 lb Ray ate a big meal.and fought Jones at 154, I'd pick Ray to win by Ko

Nice post.

Ray goes after Roid Jones and gets tagged. Roid Jones doesn't chase Leonard. I disagree about that fight being close. The days of Griffiths and Gavilans stealing wins with pressure was long over. But yeah, Roid Jones was much more effective at suckering opponents into attack, and not falling prey to their own traps. He was very patient and made efficient use of energy.

Ray was better P4P, but he's giving up too much size here to a guy who's too smart to be played with.

[Rusty Tromboni]

once again logic escapes you. dominate for a

brief second lol. U dumb

So what do you see happening?


I see Roid hanging out on the ropes. If he finds Leonard especially coy he'll rely on his jab. He had good footwork and a busy jab. It's not like he's gonna chase after Ray. It's not like Ray was a strong starter - he usually lost early rounds, and took over late. Paula Jones won't let that happen.

Ray was easy enough to find. Everyone he fought connected. Even hagler. The problem is that he was really hard to hurt, and when he got on his bike he got out of trouble. A big man like Jones who had exquiste timing and paired his attack to the head with body work won't let Ray off the hook - not every time.

Ray fought Hearns at Super Middleweight - weighing 160 lbs. I doubt Roy ever entered the ring below 170 lbs. Even for his debut. That was a BIG dude.

Again, LaLonde had to boil down to 168 to fight Ray, and Ray only weighed 165 lbs. Jones is too big and powerful. And he's too smart to fall for Leonard's tricks.

[them_apples]

So what do you see happening?


I see Roid hanging out on the ropes. If he finds Leonard especially coy he'll rely on his jab. He had good footwork and a busy jab. It's not like he's gonna chase after Ray. It's not like Ray was a strong starter - he usually lost early rounds, and took over late. Paula Jones won't let that happen.

Ray was easy enough to find. Everyone he fought connected. Even hagler. The problem is that he was really hard to hurt, and when he got on his bike he got out of trouble. A big man like Jones who had exquiste timing and paired his attack to the head with body work won't let Ray off the hook - not every time.

Ray fought Hearns at Super Middleweight - weighing 160 lbs. I doubt Roy ever entered the ring below 170 lbs. Even for his debut. That was a BIG dude.

Again, LaLonde had to boil down to 168 to fight Ray, and Ray only weighed 165 lbs. Jones is too big and powerful. And he's too smart to fall for Leonard's tricks.

We'll actually, if they fight at 158 the size difference won't be evident, but Jones is more natural there and would move better, have better stamina (all things considered the same).

They are both the same height and have the same reach. Jones seems to be naturally muscled a bit considering he started at 154, but like you said, roid Jones might have been on the sauce. How does ray on the sauce look? He'd prob start at 154 as well.

Jones doesn't have a good jab though, and a lot of boxers gave him trouble. Hopkins was winning the late rounds of his fight with Jones once he went Philly style, and Jones made sure they never had a rematch when it mattered.

I think if you put a slow slugger in with Jones that would be his ultimate show case. Ray is a champion though, he would bite down and make the fight competitive. Jones would probably be fighting on safety mode and landing light scoring shots while evading Leonard's slower grittier shots that he liked to throw later on.

[The plunger man]

As Roy Jones stepped up in class his knock outs became less frequent ...he couldn’t stop Trinidad or mike McCallum and people forget this and Leonard’s chin was as good as there’s so I doubt very much Jones would have stopped leonard .....he probably would have outboxed him but it’s not a walk in the park.
Roy Jones at the same as leonard when retiring was koed 5 times and leonard was stopped just one time....P4P leonard wins though at middleweight I would say Jones due to size difference.
Roy Jones faces a hell of lot of B grade fighters thats for sure