Ray Leonard vs Roy Jones at Middleweight

[The Old LefHook]

Of course it would be Jones trying to time the constantly circling Leonard. But wouldn't be something visually odd if Roy came out and decided to match him move for move. I don't know if I have ever seen that. One guy usually plants himself while the other moves.

[QueensburyRules]

One question that comes to mind: when did Roy fight against someone with real "advantages?" the reach and jab of Hearns... The power of Duran. Griffin had some success frustrating Roy and Roy could eventually overcome that and beat him... Would Ray's boxing cause such problems? because Ray would not wilt lol.

- -Most on Ray record Roy couldn't fight because they were too small.

I'm trying to find the savant in U inner idiot but find no such nuggets of genius.

[billeau2]

- -Most on Ray record Roy couldn't fight because they were too small.

I'm trying to find the savant in U inner idiot but find no such nuggets of genius.

Lol. Like we know and set this up in Middle weight where size was accounted for... Did you even read the thread? Do you ever read anything? every time I read a post of yours I feel a precipitious drop in my Iq lol.

U stoopid.

Let me remind you: One of the first things I stated was that Ray was a decent size for a Middle. He might be at a disadvantage but not compared to someone like Floyd who really had problems with Madanna dealing with size issues.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol. Like we know and set this up in Middle weight where size was accounted for... Did you even read the thread? Do you ever read anything? every time I read a post of yours I feel a precipitious drop in my Iq lol.

U stoopid.

Let me remind you: One of the first things I stated was that Ray was a decent size for a Middle. He might be at a disadvantage but not compared to someone like Floyd who really had problems with Madanna dealing with size issues.

- -Not my problem U have size issues.

Roy naturally bigger to put together a much longer streak of excellence that had even the ol'Timers proclaiming him the best ever until he hung on too long.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Another silly post. hearns had one of the best jabs, reach and power. Did you not know that? And I am still waiting for someone to tell me what Jones could do to wreck Leanard.

This is an adult conversation. Why are you participating?

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;20699814]- -Not my problem U have size issues.

Roy naturally bigger to put together a much longer streak of excellence that had even the ol'Timers proclaiming him the best ever until he hung on too long.[/QUOTE

You have logically thinking issues. U crazy! No sense whatsoever. Like this post which does not even address any issue much less a good sized middle weight and the relative size advantage.

[billeau2]

This is an adult conversation. Why are you participating?

Getting ready for your next vacation Blowhard? I finally figured you out Rusty, you commit suicide by mod when your BS gets so much, then you can just pop in and start the cycle again! Clever little devil are we?

Learn about Hearns before you talk nonsense...please for the sake of the section which you continually wreck with your nonsense. And please answer the question posed...

[Rusty Tromboni]

Getting ready for your next vacation Blowhard? I finally figured you out Rusty, you commit suicide by mod when your BS gets so much, then you can just pop in and start the cycle again! Clever little devil are we?

Learn about Hearns before you talk nonsense...please for the sake of the section which you continually wreck with your nonsense. And please answer the question posed...

In what way do Hearns and Jones resemble each other? In what way do Duran and Hearns resemble each other?

You try so very hard to get noticed. You're not here to discuss Boxing, you're here for validation.

Jones is too big for Leonard... who demanded Lalonde, of all people, boil down to 168 to fight him.

Ray's normal advantages level out against Jones.

Anyone who has Boxed has no trouble seeing this.

[billeau2]

In what way do Hearns and Jones resemble each other? In what way do Duran and Hearns resemble each other?

You try so very hard to get noticed. You're not here to discuss Boxing, you're here for validation.

Jones is too big for Leonard... who demanded Lalonde, of all people, boil down to 168 to fight him.

Ray's normal advantages level out against Jones.

Anyone who has Boxed has no trouble seeing this.

The opposite is true (see bolded). Anyone who has boxed understands this... Ray faced much more varied and better opposition so he has the upper hand in this department.

Size is one factor and is mitigated by Ray not being a small middle weight, anyone who has boxed understands this...

Hearns does not need to resemble Jones... Ditto for Duran. Im waiting for someone to tell me what Jones has over Ray and you aint tellin me... your argument is misguided in its conclusion, though the premise is valid. Yes your correct there is a leveling, you just got it @SS backwards. A for effort.

Think of it this way tootsy: When has Roy faced, superior, or equal, speed, reach, etc? Now its possible that when facing Tarver he was past it... But power caught him, thats a fact. Tarver had power.

Ray Leonard has faced superior power, reach, etc. He is used to making those adjustments. Roy is not tootsy, can I call you tootsy?

Lets put it another way: The Mongol Hordes, the Roman Legions. You get to pick one... Equal capacity per the outfit you picked... they are facing an enemy they have not faced before: Who do you pick Tootsy?

One thing that occurs to me is that the Mongols could not make adjustments against the Japanese...It wasn't in their nature was it? The roman legiones lost a few for sure...but faced many adversarys. That counts for a lot... That is why Hearns and Duran matter. Roy Jones had the weakness of not being able to make adjustments because he did not have to do so.

To assume this makes him better than leonard is a falsehood tootsy. He just happened to face better competition that Roy and had the capacity to adjust .

[Rusty Tromboni]

The opposite is true (see bolded). Anyone who has boxed understands this... Ray faced much more varied and better opposition so he has the upper hand in this department.

Size is one factor and is mitigated by Ray not being a small middle weight, anyone who has boxed understands this...

Hearns does not need to resemble Jones... Ditto for Duran. Im waiting for someone to tell me what Jones has over Ray and you aint tellin me... your argument is misguided in its conclusion, though the premise is valid. Yes your correct there is a leveling, you just got it @SS backwards. A for effort.

Think of it this way tootsy: When has Roy faced, superior, or equal, speed, reach, etc? Now its possible that when facing Tarver he was past it... But power caught him, thats a fact. Tarver had power.

Ray Leonard has faced superior power, reach, etc. He is used to making those adjustments. Roy is not tootsy, can I call you tootsy?

Lets put it another way: The Mongol Hordes, the Roman Legions. You get to pick one... Equal capacity per the outfit you picked... they are facing an enemy they have not faced before: Who do you pick Tootsy?

One thing that occurs to me is that the Mongols could not make adjustments against the Japanese...It wasn't in their nature was it? The roman legiones lost a few for sure...but faced many adversarys. That counts for a lot... That is why Hearns and Duran matter. Roy Jones had the weakness of not being able to make adjustments because he did not have to do so.

To assume this makes him better than leonard is a falsehood tootsy. He just happened to face better competition that Roy and had the capacity to adjust .

Yup. Totally certifiable.