Ray Leonard vs Roy Jones at Middleweight

[Rusty Tromboni]

We'll actually, if they fight at 158 the size difference won't be evident, but Jones is more natural there and would move better, have better stamina (all things considered the same).

They are both the same height and have the same reach. Jones seems to be naturally muscled a bit considering he started at 154, but like you said, roid Jones might have been on the sauce. How does ray on the sauce look? He'd prob start at 154 as well.

Jones doesn't have a good jab though, and a lot of boxers gave him trouble. Hopkins was winning the late rounds of his fight with Jones once he went Philly style, and Jones made sure they never had a rematch when it mattered.

I think if you put a slow slugger in with Jones that would be his ultimate show case. Ray is a champion though, he would bite down and make the fight competitive. Jones would probably be fighting on safety mode and landing light scoring shots while evading Leonard's slower grittier shots that he liked to throw later on.

Ray was on the sauce. You're crazy if you don't think so. His style was for the 15 Round era, Jones was designed for the 12 Round era.


Ray's power at 147 was quite impressive. It was virtually non-existent at Middleweight.

Ray needed to really sit down on his punches to hurt someone, Jones will respond in kind.


Hopkins was A LOT bigger than Leonard. And he was the one, not Jones, who avoided the rematch.

I agree, Hopkins made things competitive. When Roy was faced with a competent opponent his performances level-off drastically. But Ray doesn't have the size or style to make that happen.


You think Roy doesn't have a good jab because you're not familiar with it. He used it at SMw on several occasions.

[Rusty Tromboni]

As Roy Jones stepped up in class his knock outs became less frequent ...he couldn’t stop Trinidad or mike McCallum and people forget this and Leonard’s chin was as good as there’s so I doubt very much Jones would have stopped leonard .....he probably would have outboxed him but it’s not a walk in the park.
Roy Jones at the same as leonard when retiring was koed 5 times and leonard was stopped just one time....P4P leonard wins though at middleweight I would say Jones due to size difference.
Roy Jones faces a hell of lot of B grade fighters thats for sure

yeah, people are conflating their P4P status with how a fight between them would actually play out.

Frazier savaged Foster, but was himself savaged by Foreman. Size matters. Skill, quality of opposition, experience, that all matters, but there's a reason fighters are separated by Weight Classes, and nothing else.

Jones levels out most of Ray's regular advantages anyway.

[billeau2]

again... how would Roy dominate Ray?

I am still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to how Roy would beat Leonard. Some, like a certain blowhard that posts here want to make the case that size is instrumental in this match up... It just flat out is not... Leonard beat Hearns, a big. lanky physical Middle weight and he could do so at least partially because he was a good sized middle weight himself. Duran was not his best at middle but his power carried up and did not cause Ray problems.

Leonard also had a chin... Something it is assumed that Roy also had at one time, but this is debatable. In speed they both match up. Ray has better experience, having fought better comp. Regarding power, this is really the only advantage Roy has, yet most concede that if he won it would be in a decision.

Makes no sense to me.

[QueensburyRules]

I am still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to how Roy would beat Leonard. Some, like a certain blowhard that posts here want to make the case that size is instrumental in this match up... It just flat out is not... Leonard beat Hearns, a big. lanky physical Middle weight and he could do so at least partially because he was a good sized middle weight himself. Duran was not his best at middle but his power carried up and did not cause Ray problems.

Leonard also had a chin... Something it is assumed that Roy also had at one time, but this is debatable. In speed they both match up. Ray has better experience, having fought better comp. Regarding power, this is really the only advantage Roy has, yet most concede that if he won it would be in a decision.

Makes no sense to me.

- -Roy never weighing the 145 cents of Hearns make no sense to U.

Not a surprise to the rest of us knowing U Ginsberg and Kerouac limitations.

[billeau2]

- -Roy never weighing the 145 cents of Hearns make no sense to U.

Not a surprise to the rest of us knowing U Ginsberg and Kerouac limitations.

Take the time to have someone help you write your posts so they are readable. Just a bitter lush with dementia lol.

I don't care about weight here, it is one specific attribute of size...explained so many times. Yes Roy has an advantage in weight, but it is offset. Your an idiot who will not even attempt to understand the points being made... Like how Floyd Mayweather, was a small middleweight and struggled with medocre opposition, which makes a big difference.

Regarding limitations? Limit your alcohol intake before posting.

[QueensburyRules]

Take the time to have someone help you write your posts so they are readable. Just a bitter lush with dementia lol.

I don't care about weight here, it is one specific attribute of size...explained so many times. Yes Roy has an advantage in weight, but it is offset. Your an idiot who will not even attempt to understand the points being made... Like how Floyd Mayweather, was a small middleweight and struggled with medocre opposition, which makes a big difference.

Regarding limitations? Limit your alcohol intake before posting.

- -Is that Ginsberg or Kerouac speaking, neither of whom are qualified to speak on the topic.

[billeau2]

- -Is that Ginsberg or Kerouac speaking, neither of whom are qualified to speak on the topic.

Wow! You can string a sentence together! took ten posts and the sentiment means nothing but its a start... I guess.

[The plunger man]

Take the time to have someone help you write your posts so they are readable. Just a bitter lush with dementia lol.

I don't care about weight here, it is one specific attribute of size...explained so many times. Yes Roy has an advantage in weight, but it is offset. Your an idiot who will not even attempt to understand the points being made... Like how Floyd Mayweather, was a small middleweight and struggled with medocre opposition, which makes a big difference.

Regarding limitations? Limit your alcohol intake before posting.

leonard was a true great and always found away to win so could he have beat jones...I don’t know for sure and Leonard wins are far more impressive than Jones and Jones never boxed anybody as complete as leonard so I don’t know....I think hagler would have been a nightmare for Jones going on the basis that Jones could not stop Trinidad or McCallum ....Jones looked fantastic against mediocre challengers where is leonard looked fantastic against all time greats ....so this question we will never know for sure

[QueensburyRules]

leonard was a true great and always found away to win so could he have beat jones...I don’t know for sure and Leonard wins are far more impressive than Jones and Jones never boxed anybody as complete as leonard so I don’t know....I think hagler would have been a nightmare for Jones going on the basis that Jones could not stop Trinidad or McCallum ....Jones looked fantastic against mediocre challengers where is leonard looked fantastic against all time greats ....so this question we will never know for sure

- -Young one armed Roy made a prime Popkins look like such an Ham and Egger that he dared not even mention Roy for the next 10 years.

When did U stop watching boxing?

[The plunger man]

- -Young one armed Roy made a prime Popkins look like such an Ham and Egger that he dared not even mention Roy for the next 10 years.

When did U stop watching boxing?

I’ve never been a fan of Hopkins fella...always thought he was one dimensional TBH